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Pushkin Square or Pushkinskaya Square?

English translation: Pushkinskaya

20:57 Oct 28, 2023
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Russian term or phrase: Pushkin Square or Pushkinskaya Square?
Should urban objects' (streets, squares, etc.) names be translated into English as they look and sound in Russian? Pushkinskaya Square or Pushkin Square?
Boris Gorlin
United States
Local time: 02:54
English translation:Pushkinskaya
Explanation:
The names should not be translated, they should be transleterated.

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*translIterated - sorry, a typo :-)
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Natalya Sogolovsky
Israel
Local time: 09:54
Grading comment
Спасибо всем комментаторам! Речь шла о Пушкинской площади в Москве, в тексте Петиции на статус политического беженца.
Я перевёл Pushkinskaya Square, но хотел быть уверен.
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Summary of answers provided
5 +3Pushkinskaya
Natalya Sogolovsky
Summary of reference entries provided
For reference:
Oleg Lozinskiy

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11 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 5/5 peer agreement (net): +3
Pushkinskaya


Explanation:
The names should not be translated, they should be transleterated.

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Note added at 12 mins (2023-10-28 21:09:52 GMT)
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*translIterated - sorry, a typo :-)

Natalya Sogolovsky
Israel
Local time: 09:54
Specializes in field
Native speaker of: Native in HebrewHebrew, Native in RussianRussian
PRO pts in category: 8
Grading comment
Спасибо всем комментаторам! Речь шла о Пушкинской площади в Москве, в тексте Петиции на статус политического беженца.
Я перевёл Pushkinskaya Square, но хотел быть уверен.

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  Vladimir Alekseev, MCIL: Конечно транслитерированы. Иначе у Вас будет "The Lane of the Unbowed" вместо "проспекта Непокоренных", что напрочь defeats the purpose of translation : )
47 mins
  -> Thank you!
neutral  Oleg Lozinskiy: Так считают не все -> https://shorturl.at/kyzP8 | В вопросе не указано, что переводится "почтовый адрес". См. также: http://address.mosopen.ru/22460-104019 и https://cih.ru/3d/m10.html
50 mins
  -> А надо просто представить себе того гипотетического почтальона, который будет этот адрес по-английски разбирать :-)
agree  Olga Sinitsyna
2 hrs
  -> Thanks!
agree  Boris Shapiro: При такой категории вопроса - да. В литературе или публицистике - нет
9 hrs
  -> Thanks!
neutral  mk_lab: А если имеется в виду вот эта площадь? https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Площадь Пушкина (Иваново)
12 hrs
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Reference comments


1 hr peer agreement (net): +1
Reference: For reference:

Reference information:
Pushkinskaya Square or Pushkin Square (Russian: Пу́шкинская пло́щадь) is a pedestrian open space in the Tverskoy District in central Moscow. Historically, it was known as Strastnaya Square (Russian: Страстная площадь) before being renamed for Alexander Pushkin in 1937.[1][2]

It is located at the junction of the Boulevard Ring (Tverskoy Boulevard to the southwest and Strastnoy Boulevard to the northeast) and Tverskaya Street, 2 kilometres (1.2 mi) northwest of the Kremlin. It is not only one of the busiest city squares in Moscow, but also one of the busiest in the world.

The former Strastnaya Square name originates from the Passion Monastery (Russian: Страстной монастырь, Strastnoy Monastery), which was demolished in the 1930s by the Soviet regime.

At the center of the square is a statue of Pushkin, funded by public subscription and unveiled by Ivan Turgenev and Fyodor Dostoyevsky in 1880. In 1950, Joseph Stalin had the statue moved to the other side of the Tverskaya Street, where the historic Passion Monastery had formerly stood. On 5 December 1965, Glasnost Meeting, the first spontaneous public political demonstration in the Soviet Union after the Second World War, took place here. In January 1990, the first McDonald's restaurant in Soviet Union and largest one in the world at that time opened here.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pushkinskaya_Square

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And, for example, in Odessa a street under the same name is described as:

Vulytsia Pushkinska (Ukrainian: Пушкінська) is a street in the downtown of Odesa, Ukraine. The street is named after Russian poet Alexander Pushkin, who lived on the street. The street starts from the Dumska Square and finishes at the crossing with the Panteleymonivska Street. The street was founded in 1827.

The street was founded as Italian Street (Ukrainian: вулиця Італійська, vulytsia Italiiska). It was named after Pushkin on June 25, 1880, and the street saved the name until now. Although Pushkin lived in several different buildings at different times, the Museum of Pushkin (the branch of the Odesa Literature Museum) was organized at Pushkinska Street 13. The statue of Pushkin was founded at the front of the building dedicating to the 200th-year jubilee of his birthday.

Many famous architecture monuments are located on the street; among them are Abazy Palace (now the Odesa Museum of Western and Eastern Art), the New Burse Building (now the Odesa Philharmonic Theater), and the Bristol Hotel.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pushkinska_Street,_Odesa

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В добавление:

Страстная площадь

Она же — Пушкинская

Самая многострадальная площадь старой Москвы — та, где стоит в окружении фонарей памятник Пушкину. Ее пространство двести лет застраивали, украшали и разрушили в минувшем веке на моих глазах, нанеся последние удары в 1960–1970-е годы. История площади началась в Средние века, с деревянных Тверских ворот в земляном оборонительном валу. В конце XVI века его заменили каменной, побеленной известкой стеной, получившей название Белого города. Воздвиг мощную крепость, окружавшую всю Москву, поражавшую иностранцев неприступностью и размерами, «государев мастер» Федор Иванов, по прозвищу Конь, отличившийся при трех царях: Иване Грозном, Федоре Иоанновиче и Борисе Годунове.
https://www.mk.ru/moscow/2012/06/06/712253-strastnaya-plosch...

Oleg Lozinskiy
Russian Federation
Specializes in field
Native speaker of: Native in RussianRussian
PRO pts in category: 1050
Note to reference poster
Asker: Thank you for historical references. Btw, I’m from Odessa, and though I’ve been living far away from it for the last 30 yrs, for me Pushkinskaya is my favorite street in the whole world… And, of course, I know a lot about its (and Odessa in general) history. My question was related to the location in Moscow, not mailing address. I am translating testimony accompanying a Refugee Status Application, describing some events that took place at Пушкинская площадь. Fifferent Internet resources offer both Pushkin Square and Pushkinskaya Square, as well as Pushkinskaya Ploschad. Amazingly, the last one is on the Google Map of Moscow downtown, next to “Tverskaya Street”. No consistency. It seems to be just a matter of translator’s taste…


Peer comments on this reference comment (and responses from the reference poster)
agree  Frank Szmulowicz, Ph. D.
33 mins
  -> My most profound appreciation, Frank!
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