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What's all this about......I can't stand it anymore. Already having to be physically restrained at the sight pf a grocer's s, I am now tormented by the Italian equivalent:
- panini are already plural; so give the s to that grocer please
- latte, it's latte, short 'a', not that affected drawn out thing; and it's MILK!!! NOT COFFEE!!!
- bruschetta; why can't you say it properly, hard sound, not brushetta............Why
- bimbo for an airhead female; actually, I have a fee... See more What's all this about......I can't stand it anymore. Already having to be physically restrained at the sight pf a grocer's s, I am now tormented by the Italian equivalent:
- panini are already plural; so give the s to that grocer please
- latte, it's latte, short 'a', not that affected drawn out thing; and it's MILK!!! NOT COFFEE!!!
- bruschetta; why can't you say it properly, hard sound, not brushetta............Why
- bimbo for an airhead female; actually, I have a feeling that might be Spanish, but why not bimba?
and on it goes. Any examples in other languages that make you want to scream, or am I just as ever urinating against the wind?
Suzi ▲ Collapse
| | | | Linda Kelly 
Spain
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... is actually a brand of bread in Spain. The sight of the Bimbo factory is a source of much sniggering for British tourists here!
| | | | Karen W
Italy
Local time: 20:42
Italian to English
And how about ta-G-liatelli with a nice big 'G' in the middle of there? Although the problem exists both ways round. As for plurals of English words in Italian, should they use an 's' or not?? VIPs for example, who are already terrible enough to contemplate in themselves, all muttered in one breath...
Let's hope this isn't going to give me bad dreams...Notte
| | | | Lingua 5B
Bosnia and Herzegovina
Local time: 20:42
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| Naturalization | May 3, 2010 |
Foreign words get naturalized in a new environment; hence the acquired/adopted changes in semantics ( often false friends), transcription, grammar patterns, pronunciation etc. It's quite natural and it's happening to all languages of the world when they "travel" outside of their original zone.
Latte is not coffee! Latte is coffee WITH milk 
Panini may be plural, but an English brain must associate the -... See more Foreign words get naturalized in a new environment; hence the acquired/adopted changes in semantics ( often false friends), transcription, grammar patterns, pronunciation etc. It's quite natural and it's happening to all languages of the world when they "travel" outside of their original zone.
Latte is not coffee! Latte is coffee WITH milk
Panini may be plural, but an English brain must associate the -s with plural, for the most part.
Btw, we also have the expression "urinating against the wind" .. I laughed at that one!
LMAO, I also laughed hard at the Linda's explanation of Bimbo.
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Karen W wrote:
And how about ta-G-liatelli with a nice big 'G' in the middle of there? Although the problem exists both ways round. As for plurals of English words in Italian, should they use an 's' or not??
As a rule of thumb, in Italian you shouldn't use plurals for English words:
http://www.accademiadellacrusca.it/faq/faq_risp.php?id=3781&ctg_id=44
And it's tagliatelle not tagliatelli 
| | | | Lingua 5B
Bosnia and Herzegovina
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| @ Maurizio, seems to be true! | May 3, 2010 |
Here is what Google Translate says for Italian:
un hamburger
due hamburger
tre hamburger
No plural suffixes! And hamburger is an English word, of course.
I found the same for the English word "bar"
That's interesting, because we do pluralize English words with our native plural suffixes.
| | | | David Russi
United States
Local time: 12:42
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| Make sure to get one with proscuitto... ;-) | May 3, 2010 |
Susanna Garcia wrote:
What's all this about......I can't stand it anymore. Already having to be physically restrained at the sight pf a grocer's s, I am now tormented by the Italian equivalent:
- panini are already plural; so give the s to that grocer please
- latte, it's latte, short 'a', not that affected drawn out thing; and it's MILK!!! NOT COFFEE!!!
- bruschetta; why can't you say it properly, hard sound, not brushetta............Why
- bimbo for an airhead female; actually, I have a feeling that might be Spanish, but why not bimba?
and on it goes. Any examples in other languages that make you want to scream, or am I just as ever urinating against the wind?
Suzi
In Spanish it is acceptable to pluzalize espaguetis, something quite similar to what happens to panini in English.
| | | | Nesrin
United Kingdom
Local time: 19:42
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| Spare a thought for the English language... | May 3, 2010 |
...that's being disrespectfully misused all over the world, since it acquired lingua franca status!
My favourite word in Egypt is "typical". It started out with it being widely used by English-educated Egyptians in the correct English sense (since the Arabic word for "typical" isn't commonly used). Very soon, non-English speaking Egyptians somehow believed it to mean "identical" (my analysis is that the word "typical" sounds a bit like the Arabic "tibk al asl" which means identical)... See more ...that's being disrespectfully misused all over the world, since it acquired lingua franca status!
My favourite word in Egypt is "typical". It started out with it being widely used by English-educated Egyptians in the correct English sense (since the Arabic word for "typical" isn't commonly used). Very soon, non-English speaking Egyptians somehow believed it to mean "identical" (my analysis is that the word "typical" sounds a bit like the Arabic "tibk al asl" which means identical), and is now predominantly used in that sense. It drives me mad!
e.g. "This handbag is typical (pronounced "tebical") to the one I bought last week!"
Another one is "already", which is used by one and all regardless of whether or not they speak English. The problem is that in Arabic there is no word meaning exclusively "already", but there is a word (fe'lan or belfe'l) that means "really, actually, already". So people, having been told that "already" means "fe'lan" are constantly using it in the sense of "really".
So don't be too harsh on the English misusing foreign words - who doesn't!
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Lingua 5B wrote:
Here is what Google Translate says for Italian:
un hamburger
due hamburger
tre hamburger
No plural suffixes! And hamburger is an English word, of course.
I found the same for the English word "bar"
That's interesting, because we do pluralize English words with our native plural suffixes.
I'm happy Google Translate confirms the Accademia della crusca 
So, no plurals for English words in Italian (at least for established words such as hamburger, film, bar, cocktail, etc.)
| | | | Brian Young
United States
Local time: 11:42
Danish to English
| typical and totally | May 3, 2010 |
Those are among the most used, abused, and misused words in the English language. Teenagers in particular use those words constantly, also "like". Man, that is just typical, and like just totally---. Teenagerese you might call it.
| | | | | Re: Bimbo bread | May 4, 2010 |
Linda Kelly wrote:
... is actually a brand of bread in Spain. The sight of the Bimbo factory is a source of much sniggering for British tourists here!
This might be going OT, but we've got Bimbo bread here in Argentina too. So you can buy a package of Bimbo hamburger buns, and combine them with the hilariously (and adequately) named "Barfy" hamburgers.
Jared
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Bosnia and Herzegovina
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Maurizio Spagnuolo wrote: I'm happy Google Translate confirms the Accademia della crusca So, no plurals for English words in Italian (at least for established words such as hamburger, film, bar, cocktail, etc.)
Google MT seems to process very simple phrases nicely! I just saw it translated "two hamburgers" correctly into my native language, that's why I trusted it for Italian too.
Yes, it obviously applies to the words of English origin commonly used in modern Italian.
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NancyLynn
Canada
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Here the English side of the menu will offer you spaghetti, but the French side will offer "des spaguettis" because presumably you'll have more than one.
Kinda like the old joke: "Did you get a haircut" "Nah, I got 'em all cut" - in French we get our hairs cut, as most of us (not all, I grant you!) have more than one.
| | | | Brian Young
United States
Local time: 11:42
Danish to English
One of the first things you learn as a seaman is never to piss to windward. However, you might be told to go piss up a rope. Either activity can have unintended consequences.
If it's "urination", is it it "urinations"? We do say "bowel movement" and "bowel movements", so I guess "urinations" would be acceptable. But "piss", and "pisses", no, that doesn't sound right.
| | | | | When in a Spanish restaurant... | May 4, 2010 |
...try our "espaguetis"! Italians say we make them disgustingly soft (and I agree), but this is how our mothers have prepared them ever since pasta exists in Spain.
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