Glossary entry (derived from question below)
Russian term or phrase:
сквозная сертификация
English translation:
end-to-end certification, comprehensive certification
Added to glossary by
Yana Soboleva
Jan 28, 2014 07:33
10 yrs ago
Russian term
Russian Federation
Native in: Russian 
Works in: English to Russian, Russian to English, German to Russian
сквозная сертификация
Russian to English
Marketing
Marketing / Market Research
только сквозная сертификация может гарантировать качество продукта, так как она охватывает все этапы: начиная от создания, подготовки сырья и материалов, контроля производства продукта, и заканчивая продажей продукта покупателю.
Proposed translations
(English)
| 4 +2 | end-to-end certification |
Yana Soboleva
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| 4 +1 | thorough certification |
Naveen Kar
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| 4 +1 | “through-and-through” / “wall-to-wall” / “ongoing” / “continuing” OR rephrase (see expl.) |
ViBe
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Change log
Feb 4, 2014 06:20: Yana Soboleva Created KOG entry
Proposed translations
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57 mins
Yana Soboleva
Native in Russian
HEADmade Translation
Native in: Russian (Variant: Standard-Russia)
Works in: Russian to English, English to Russian, German to Russian
Related KudoZ points
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3
Selected
end-to-end certification
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Note added at 1 час (2014-01-28 08:41:45 GMT)
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The quality of a (the) product can only be quaranteed by end-to-end certification, as it covers all stages: from product developing, raw material processing and production control to selling the product to a customer.
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Note added at 1 час (2014-01-28 08:59:32 GMT)
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Кстати, см. похожие вопросы: 1) http://www.proz.com/kudoz/russian_to_english/law:_taxation_c...
2) http://www.proz.com/kudoz/russian_to_english/bus_financial/4...
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Note added at 1 час (2014-01-28 08:41:45 GMT)
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The quality of a (the) product can only be quaranteed by end-to-end certification, as it covers all stages: from product developing, raw material processing and production control to selling the product to a customer.
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Note added at 1 час (2014-01-28 08:59:32 GMT)
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Кстати, см. похожие вопросы: 1) http://www.proz.com/kudoz/russian_to_english/law:_taxation_c...
2) http://www.proz.com/kudoz/russian_to_english/bus_financial/4...
Peer comment(s):
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ViBe
: "end-to-end" = "wall-to-wall" ;) / (1) I was faster and (2) your option falls short of any inventive step or novelty compared to mine ;) / "Inventive step" is NOT the same as "invention" (see patent law terminology = this is about COMPARING)
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1) You were faster in what? I don't think these are the same expressions.
2) Why would a translator INVENT something, if there are acknowledged options?
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Zamira B.
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Спасибо!
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cyhul
1 day 17 hrs
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Thank you very much!
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3 KudoZ points awarded for this answer.
Comment: "selected this answer, but upon consulting with an English-speaking specialist in the field, we've decided that COMPREHENSIVE certification would be ok for our particular case"
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3 mins
Naveen Kar
India
India
Native in English
India
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Native in: English
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thorough certification
Our disciplined, thorough certification process ensures consistency, repeatability and reliability in exceeding customer expectations at every CRDN location, with every job, and with every garment/textile item.
http://www.crdn.com/en-us/Pages/Certification-Process.aspx
http://www.crdn.com/en-us/Pages/Certification-Process.aspx
Peer comment(s):
| agree |
Ravindra Godbole
6 mins
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| neutral |
ViBe
: Certification may well be “thorough,” but not necessarily “сквозная,” i.e. covering ALL stages…
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“through-and-through” / “wall-to-wall” / “ongoing” / “continuing” OR rephrase (see expl.)
If we really MUST stick to the Russian grammar verbatim, then “ongoing” / “continuing” used as adjectives OR “through-and-through” / “wall-to-wall” used as adjectives or adverbs can do the job.
However, it is always a good idea to replace nouns in RU with verb/verbal phrases in EN, especially when we have difficulties finding the right word in EN. The key here is that said certification “охватывает ВСЕ ЭТАПЫ” разработки, производства и продажи нашего продукта. Hence the following options:
--> Only by certifying our product *** throughout *** the process … can we guarantee its (high) quality …
--> Only by running certification *** through all the stages / each and every stage *** of the production process ranging from … to … can we guarantee …
--> Only by certifying our product *** on an ongoing basis *** as we go through our production process … can we guarantee its (high) quality …
However, it is always a good idea to replace nouns in RU with verb/verbal phrases in EN, especially when we have difficulties finding the right word in EN. The key here is that said certification “охватывает ВСЕ ЭТАПЫ” разработки, производства и продажи нашего продукта. Hence the following options:
--> Only by certifying our product *** throughout *** the process … can we guarantee its (high) quality …
--> Only by running certification *** through all the stages / each and every stage *** of the production process ranging from … to … can we guarantee …
--> Only by certifying our product *** on an ongoing basis *** as we go through our production process … can we guarantee its (high) quality …
Note from asker:
| The term is used in headlines...so I guess I have to stick to Russian grammar form at least there. But apart from that thank you for the suggestions! |
| to Ms. Yana Soboleva: I'm sorry, but I have the text in front of me and I DO belive that in this case the grammar form should be kept as it is. Please don't be so hostile in discussions, nobody here doubts any comment was made by a professional, so we are not arguing, we are trying to find the best suitable equivalent by giving examples and explanations. |
Peer comment(s):
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Yana Soboleva
: Wall-to-wall means "от стены до стены/покрывающий весь пол", not even close to "сквозной" and too literal.
P.S. Use dictionary (and compare) and google. And follow the links I gave. This is ridiculous already.
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если это так (а это НЕ так, ибо это выражение часто исп. в перен. смысле), то Ваше «от конца до конца» – намного веселее ;) / No need to follow RU grammar verbatim: REPHRASING (see my OTHER options) works magic!
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Natalia Volkova
: Certifying products throughout the process" was my version too! I was about to publish it when I saw that the phrase had already been mentioned by you in D-n. Thanks! What I suggest for you is: why not putting it as a seperate answer?2 ans-s are OK on PrZ
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I used it in my answer, too. ;) Thank you, Natalia, for your noble and sportsmanlike conduct!
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Discussion
Марина, поздно увидела Ваш комментарий, т.к. он был добавлен в другой ответ. "I have the text in front of me and <...> grammar form should be kept as it is" — поясните, пожалуйста, этот комментарий. Всё-таки в английском грамматические конструкции и синтаксис отличаются от русских (уверена, Вы и без меня это знаете), было бы неверным в этом смысле слепо следовать оригиналу :) Хотя предложенные варианты все являются определениями и не противоречат форме оригинала.
Насчет выбора грамматических форм для перевода headlines (заголовков?): в АЯ, в отличие от РЯ, в headlines весьма активно используются глагольные формы. Поэтому можно так написать: “Certifying (our) products throughout the production process” OR “Certifying (our) products through and through.” In fact, “end-to-end” can also work as a backup option.