Jul 11, 2004 09:55
19 yrs ago
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Russian term
United Kingdom
dvor - contextual question
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Interview with a drug user.
The drug user is asked how many people are in the group that he takes drugs with.
A: Nu, ya dazhe ne znaiu.U nas, nu kak govoritsia. Dvor. Nu, dvor on i est' dvor. Tam ty i pervyi raz poproboval, kak, kak govoritsia, kuda protiv kompanii, protiv naroda.
I don't understand any of this.
The drug user is asked how many people are in the group that he takes drugs with.
A: Nu, ya dazhe ne znaiu.U nas, nu kak govoritsia. Dvor. Nu, dvor on i est' dvor. Tam ty i pervyi raz poproboval, kak, kak govoritsia, kuda protiv kompanii, protiv naroda.
I don't understand any of this.
Proposed translations
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Marina Aleyeva
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| 4 +1 | Street>>> |
shlepakoff
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| 4 +1 | estate |
sergey (X)
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Proposed translations
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42 mins
Marina Aleyeva
Israel
Israel
Native in Russian
Works in field
Israel
Medicine & Clinical Studies - MSc, MA
Native in: Russian 
, Ukrainian
Works in: English to Russian, English to Ukrainian, Russian to English, and 3 more.
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dvor is basically the backyard of a multistorey building (block of flats). dvor is also a community of people leaving in the same block of flats or a few nearby blocks, particularly children/youth who meet regularly and form up a more or less solid group (компания). It is often considered against the group's rules to avoid doing what everyone else in the group does - eg trying a drink/drug for the first time. Do what everyone else does - or you'll be viewed and treated as an outsiders.
Peer comment(s):
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Natalie
11 mins
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Thanks
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Alexander Demyanov
44 mins
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Thanks
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sergey (X)
: in english they call it 'estate gangs'
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Thanks a lot. You may be right.
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shlepakoff
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Thank you
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4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer.
Comment: "Thanks. This is a very useful answer. Ilya - I understand your reasoning with 'street'. In fact the respondent goes on to mention the fact that it is a 9-storey block of flats, but you weren't to know that. Sergey - I think you have to be careful with 'council estate' as it means something specific. For example, I grew up in a block of flats on a street of blocks of flats but it was not a council estate. (and I also hung out with other kids from the 'block' as we called it). A council estate is built by the local council and the flats are available at a subsidized rate. Often they are in high demand and it is necessary to put your name down on a waiting list. It is true that council estates do not have a very good reputation when it comes to social problems such as drug use/crime."
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10 hrs
Street>>>
While agreeing with Marina's explanation of "dvor", I would translate it as "street/my street":
"Well, I don't even know. We've got, well, what do you call it. The street. Your street is just that. That's where you get the first taste, it's like they say, you're not going to go against your gang, your peeps."
"Well, I don't even know. We've got, well, what do you call it. The street. Your street is just that. That's where you get the first taste, it's like they say, you're not going to go against your gang, your peeps."
Peer comment(s):
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Kevin Kelly
: For a US audience, do NOT use 'estate,' it has a completely different connotation. Another way to express the concept of 'dvor' in US English is 'home turf' or 'homeys.'
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Or 'hood.
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36 mins
estate
they are called council/housing estate in the uk:
... habit by acting as a runner for a Camden Town cannabis dealer has been banned from
the borough after leaving dangerous drug paraphernalia on a council estate. ...
www.crackcocaineincamden.co.uk/pages/ crack%20cocaine%20news/news%20pages/0400/0346.htm
Will sports people always take drugs?
... to change our estate The story of a 16-year-old boy from Sheffield who with his
friends helped revamp his housing estate. Elsewhere Sport and Drugs A webpage ...
www.justdosomething.net/xsp/xsc.asp?uri=/ home/zone/uk-guide/sport/will-sports-people-always-take-drugs
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Note added at 38 mins (2004-07-11 10:33:40 GMT)
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Our Estate? and it highlighted the problems
on the estate, including violence and peer pressure to use drugs and boredom ...
www.mentorfoundation.org/download/ Mentor_UK_conference_Summary_and_pictures.doc
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Note added at 40 mins (2004-07-11 10:36:16 GMT)
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By the age of nine I was smoking cannabis, which I did for a bit of a laugh and to be accepted by the others who lived on our estate. We really believed that it was a cool thing to do and this was around the time I first started to get in trouble. I started stealing from shops; as a dare. Then I progressed to stealing cars, motorbikes and committing burglaries.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/northamptonshire/features/2004/prison/p...
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Note added at 46 mins (2004-07-11 10:41:40 GMT)
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in your context, it\'s better to say - estate gang - which are normally formed in most estates in london:
Low-Life | UK Hip Hop Story | Mecca 2 Medina - Seeing Through The ...
... accessible. When the track gets going a deep tale of ghetto yutes shooting
each other for gold rings and estate gang life is described. ...
www.low-life.fsnet.co.uk/ukhiphop/ artists/mecca2medina-seeing_through_the_smoke.htm
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Note added at 3 days 10 hrs 10 mins (2004-07-14 20:05:31 GMT) Post-grading
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that\'s what they call them here in london, i don\'t know where you grew up.
it doesn\'t have to be a council estate - just any housing estate (with many buildings and one backyard), i\'ve given you plenty of examples above of its use in the uk. strange!
... habit by acting as a runner for a Camden Town cannabis dealer has been banned from
the borough after leaving dangerous drug paraphernalia on a council estate. ...
www.crackcocaineincamden.co.uk/pages/ crack%20cocaine%20news/news%20pages/0400/0346.htm
Will sports people always take drugs?
... to change our estate The story of a 16-year-old boy from Sheffield who with his
friends helped revamp his housing estate. Elsewhere Sport and Drugs A webpage ...
www.justdosomething.net/xsp/xsc.asp?uri=/ home/zone/uk-guide/sport/will-sports-people-always-take-drugs
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Note added at 38 mins (2004-07-11 10:33:40 GMT)
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Our Estate? and it highlighted the problems
on the estate, including violence and peer pressure to use drugs and boredom ...
www.mentorfoundation.org/download/ Mentor_UK_conference_Summary_and_pictures.doc
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Note added at 40 mins (2004-07-11 10:36:16 GMT)
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By the age of nine I was smoking cannabis, which I did for a bit of a laugh and to be accepted by the others who lived on our estate. We really believed that it was a cool thing to do and this was around the time I first started to get in trouble. I started stealing from shops; as a dare. Then I progressed to stealing cars, motorbikes and committing burglaries.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/northamptonshire/features/2004/prison/p...
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Note added at 46 mins (2004-07-11 10:41:40 GMT)
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in your context, it\'s better to say - estate gang - which are normally formed in most estates in london:
Low-Life | UK Hip Hop Story | Mecca 2 Medina - Seeing Through The ...
... accessible. When the track gets going a deep tale of ghetto yutes shooting
each other for gold rings and estate gang life is described. ...
www.low-life.fsnet.co.uk/ukhiphop/ artists/mecca2medina-seeing_through_the_smoke.htm
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Note added at 3 days 10 hrs 10 mins (2004-07-14 20:05:31 GMT) Post-grading
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that\'s what they call them here in london, i don\'t know where you grew up.
it doesn\'t have to be a council estate - just any housing estate (with many buildings and one backyard), i\'ve given you plenty of examples above of its use in the uk. strange!
Discussion
I grew up in Edinburgh and have lived in the UK for most of my life. I have always lived in flats but have not lived on an estate.