Glossary entry

Catalan term or phrase:

conseller en cap

English translation:

first minister

Added to glossary by Berni Armstrong
Apr 3, 2004 21:15
20 yrs ago
Catalan term

conseller en cap

Catalan to English Other Government / Politics
The text (in ES) refers both to 'Presidente de la Generalitat' and to the 'conseller en cap'. Are they one and the same?

Discussion

Non-ProZ.com Apr 4, 2004:
Here's a sentence I was/am reluctant to reproduce sentences from articles so have manipulated this a bit. This was prior to teh November 2003 elections.

Su cabeza de lista era Artur Mas, el ***Conseller en Cap del Gobierno catal�n***, que tomaba el relevo de Jordi Pujol en el mando.

Was Mas the conseller en cap already in the pre-election period? In other words, had Pujol handed over the reins to him DURING their period of government, or did they choose to make the 'relevo' to take effect AFTER the elections?
Non-ProZ.com Apr 4, 2004:
PS Thanks for the help:-)
Non-ProZ.com Apr 4, 2004:
I am still not sure:-) Aznar es Presidente, in English Prime Minister, so to avoid ambiguity I will call him the 'Spanish Prime Minister'.

Pujol era Presidente de la Generalitat, so to avoid having to explain myself or the ES political system, I have tried to avoid the use of Prime Minister in the CAT context, and stuck with expressions like 'head of', which is working quite well so far.

However, is the actual role 'Presidente de la Generalitat' identical to 'Conseller en Cap'? In other words, when the article refers to one or the other, is it actually referring to an IDENTICAL concept? In other words (again!), Pujol = (ex-) Presidente de la Generalitat = (ex-) Conseller en Cap?

Proposed translations

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first minister

"prime minister" may give the wrong impression. The president largely has that function here. However, the "conseller en cap" is very much a "first minister" - which many countries have - a sort of deputy president - and I feel that would be understood by using "first minister" rather than "prime" minister.

This is a bit like the difference between "premier league" and "first division" ;-)

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Note added at 18 hrs 10 mins (2004-04-04 15:26:42 GMT)
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Given your new information you could say \"acting prime minister\" - though I feel you should use the term \"president\" to describe Pujol\'s role. Seeking exact political synonyms is always difficult and he could equaly be described as \"head of the assembly\" (from an analogy with the Welsh Assembly) or \"Regional Prime Minister\" or something. I would go with the term the Generalitat use themselves - \"President\". Then Mas would have been \"first minister\".

HERE\'S AN EXAMPLE OF HOW I MIGHT HAVE USED THE TWO TERMS:
When Maragall was elected, Carod Rovira was first minister until the scandal about his talks with ETA - talks which he undertook as \"acting President\", since Maragall was then out of the country.

I realise that strictly speaking \"president\" normally refer to the head of a Republic. But there are other examples throughout Europe of figures caled Presidents who serve in Constitutional Monarchies.
Peer comment(s):

agree Maria Rosich Andreu : your explanation convinced me :)
2 hrs
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4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer. Comment: "Spot on Berni, it's the term they use in the Scottish Parliament. Someone explained that the Catalan system of Parliament is actually modelled on a Republic, which is why they have both a 'president' and 'conseller en cap'. In the end, there was just one mention, so I put a footnote, to avoid confusion between PM of Spain, president of the Generalitat, and 'conseller en cap'."
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prime minister (in the autonomous Catalan parliament)

No, they are not one and the same.


Catalonia - Wikipedia
... Catalan independence, and the Greens. Carod-Rovira, ERC's leader, is
the conseller en cap (prime minister) of the Catalan Government. ...
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catalonia - 32k - Cached - Similar pages

Channelnewsasia.com
... Only five weeks after taking office as "conseller en cap" -- de facto regional
prime minister -- after an historic election victory by the left in Catalonia ...
www.channelnewsasia.com/stories/ afp_world/view/68272/1/.html - 53k - Apr 3, 2004 - Cached - Similar pages

Channelnewsasia.com
... of virtues: Faith." Republican Left leader Josep Lluis Carod Rovira will be regional
"conseller en cap," the equivalent of regional prime minister, and will ...
www.channelnewsasia.com/stories/ afp_world/view/62365/1/.html - 53k - Cached - Similar pages
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KeepMedia | AFP: Senior Spanish regional official resigns over ETA ...
... Maragall said that pending the appointment of a new 'conseller en cap' -- the de
facto position of regional prime minister in the autonomous Catalan parliament ...
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Peer comment(s):

agree Maria Rosich Andreu
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