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Glossary entry

Catalan term or phrase:

para-recifal

English translation:

parareef/reefal

Added to glossary by liz askew
Apr 20, 2009 10:09
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Catalan term

para-recifal

Catalan to English Science Geology red Bilbao marble
Aquestes darreres varietats de calcàries són de color vermell, degut a la presència d’òxids de ferro, i constitueixen el rojo Bilbao. Es poden distingir diferents litologies: calcaria recifal massiva, calcaria ***para- recifal*** estratificada, i alternances de calcaries i margues.

The text is part of a description of red Bilbao marble. I am not sure how to translate 'para- recifal' here.

Many thanks in advance!


Sheila
Proposed translations (English)
3 +1 parareef
4 +1 reefoid
References
http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&as_...
Change log

Apr 26, 2009 18:42: liz askew changed "Edited KOG entry" from "<a href="/profile/22228">Sheila Hardie's</a> old entry - "para-recifal"" to ""reefal""

Discussion

Chris Ellison Apr 21, 2009:
Agree Yaeh, that sounds good to me. I checked with my husband who is Catalan (and a geologist too) and he said that pararecifal is rather superfluous and isn't normally used in Catalan - hence no "paraescullós" term and the authour has used the Spanish which does exist. He said exactly what you have suggested! Must be pretty good now ;) Good luck with the rest.

Chris.
Sheila Hardie (asker) Apr 20, 2009:
Thanks Thanks very much for your description, Chris. That's how I imagined it. So, maybe I should say 'massive reef limestones' in the first case and 'stratified reefal limestones' in the second. I hope that's right!

Sheila
Chris Ellison Apr 20, 2009:
Reef limestones Hi Sheila, without seeing images or more text, I would imagine that reefal would refer to what we think of as "proper" reef i.e. composed of reef fossils, corals, rudists etc, hence massive, whereas very close to/touching the reef proper are sediments made of the same stuff, including,normallly,broken bits of the reef, oolites, micrite etc but which is stratified. Imagine a barrier type reef with sediments building up next to it. This would fit with marls present too...I really need to draw a diagram :)

This is just an interpretation, but it's my best guess here.

HTH.
Sheila Hardie (asker) Apr 20, 2009:
calcaria recifal and calcaria para-recifal? Thanks for all the helpful answers! I'm still a bit confused about the difference the author is trying to make between 'calcaria recifal' and 'calcaria para-recifal' (other than one is 'massiva' and the other 'estratificada'. Aren't they both simply 'reefal limestones'? Or have I missed something?! Very possibly the latter :)

Thanks again, folks!

Sheila
Chris Ellison Apr 20, 2009:
Reefoid vs reefal lol Recifal is a big barbarisme in Catalan! It should be "escullós". Now I've found the correct translation of reefoid too - it's "esculloide".

Good job you speak Spanish too!! ;)
Chris Ellison Apr 20, 2009:
REEFAL Limestones Calcareous rocks formed in a reef environment are referred to as REFFAL in geology. Para is an "international" latin prefix used to mean "besides" or "next to".

e.g. Palaeoworld : Microbial impacts on the genesis of Lower Devonian ... - [ Traducir esta página ]Microbial contributions to reefal limestones are evident in eastern Australian Lower ... The Lower Devonian reefal limestones treated herein, surprisingly, ...
linkinghub.elsevier.com/retrieve/pii/S1871174X07000224

I don't doubt Ross, that reefoid may be used, but perhaps as a shape term? I've never heard it in geology. :)

HTH,

Chris.
Sheila Hardie (asker) Apr 20, 2009:
Reefoid Thanks for all the references, Ross! It does indeed seem that 'reefoid' is used in English. This book in particular seems to confirm it: http://books.google.com/books?id=Ea26AAAAIAAJ&q=reefoid reef...
Ross Andrew Parker Apr 20, 2009:
Reefoid? "Reefoid" appears to be used in published books but isn't in any dictionary as far as I can see.
Ross Andrew Parker Apr 20, 2009:
Reefoid reefoid


Explanation:
http://web.letras.up.pt/asaraujo/seminario/lexico.html

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&safe=off&q="reefoid lim.....

http://books.google.com/books?lr=lang_en&um=1&q="reefoid%2.....
Sheila Hardie (asker) Apr 20, 2009:
Parareef Thanks for your reply, Liz. I had thought of using the term 'parareef limestone' but could only find 2 references to it on Google, both of which appeared be in articles written by non-native speakers of English (at least that is what it looked like). So I really wasn't sure. But maybe it is a term that is used.

Proposed translations

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parareef

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Rock cut stability assessment in mountainous regions
enabled the development of reef and parareef construc- tive complexes. As a result, the most characteristic deposits in the basin during the Aptian-lower ...
www.springerlink.com/index/LW4KK13842KQ3186.pdf - Similar pages
by G Uribe-Etxebarria - 2005 - Cited by 1 - Related articles
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Impact of quarrying gypsum in a semidesert karstic area (Sorbas ...
reef limestones -in situ- and parareef limestone (Megıá. 1985). The Sorbas Member is basically made up of alter- nating sandy limestones and conglomerates, ...
www.springerlink.com/index/27LA74MX85XPEM3L.pdf - Similar pages
by A Pulido-Bosch - 2004 - Cited by 3 - Related articles - All 8 versions

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Note added at 2 hrs (2009-04-20 12:42:55 GMT)
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Hello Sheila

I am no expert in geology terminology, but Chris E IS.

Bye for now!

Liz

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Note added at 2 hrs (2009-04-20 12:43:57 GMT)
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See:

reefal > adjectival form of "reef"
(KudoZ) English translation of reefal: adjectival form of reef [geological report - Geology (Tech/Engineering)].
www.proz.com/kudoz/english/geology/1517052-reefal.html - 55k - Cached - Similar pages

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Note added at 2 hrs (2009-04-20 12:46:31 GMT)
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It is an adjective formed from the noun "reef".
It is not very common, more often the word "reef" itself is used as an adjective.

Oilfield Glossary: Term 'reefal'
reefal. 1. adj. [Geology], ID: 418. Alternate Form: reef. © 2006 Schlumberger Limited. Privacy Statement | Terms of Service ...
www.glossary.oilfield.slb.com/Display.cfm?Term=reefal

so reef/reefal

according to above

:-)

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Note added at 2 hrs (2009-04-20 12:48:16 GMT)
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Whilst we are on the subject, take a look at the geology glossary:

http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=yD79FqfECCYC&pg=PA541&lpg...
Peer comment(s):
agree Chris Ellison : OK ! :) But parareefAL as adjective (see discussion) ;)
2 hrs
Actually, take a look here tool . Thanks.reefal > adjectival form of "reef" (KudoZ) English translation of reefal: adjectival form of reef [geological report - Geology (Tech/Engineering)]. www.proz.com/kudoz/english/geology/1517052-reefal.html
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4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer. Comment: "Thanks to everyone for their extremely helpful answers and comments! Sheila"
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reefoid

He trobat aquesta deficinició en un glossari de termes geològics de portuguès - anglès, però crec que funciona igualment pel català.

Reefoid - Recifóide; para-recifal

http://web.letras.up.pt/asaraujo/seminario/lexico.html

I fent una cerca de "reefoid" amb "marble" es poden trobar uns quants resultats:

Geology: Mineral deposits on Willoughby Island occur in a reefoid marble of Devonian or Silurian age that is part of a large carbonate package that ...

http://www.mindat.org/loc-200038.html





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Note added at 21 mins (2009-04-20 10:30:40 GMT)
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Some examples of "reefoid limestones":

RED REEFOID LIMESTONE. RED TO PURPLE ANDESITIC BRECCIA AND TUFF. GREEN TO GREY-GREEN PLAGIOCLASE ... STONE TO SILTSTONE; LENSES OF REEFOID LIMESTONE ...

http://www.empr.gov.bc.ca/Mining/Geoscience/PublicationsCata...

... Arabia between Umm Lajj and Al Wajh, are shown to be confined to definite stratigraphic levels (beds of arkose, reefoid limestone, and conglomerates). ...

http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/1970RSPTA.267...99D
Note from asker:
Moltes gràcies per la teva resposta, Montse! Ara miraré els enllaços per comprovar tot. Però em sembla que 'reefoid' pot ser correcte.
Peer comment(s):
agree margaret caulfield
6 mins
Thanks a lot, Margaret!
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