Glossary entry (derived from question below)
Bosnian term or phrase:
bir vaktile
English translation:
once upon a time OR in the past OR long time ago
Added to glossary by
Besmir (X)
Jun 10, 2005 08:47
18 yrs ago
Bosnian term
Professional Serbian-English translation
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bir vaktile
Bosnian to English
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Specifican izraz za bosnjacko narecje, ne mogu da pretpostavim kako se koristi. Par primera:
"Neko će reći: Bir vaktile nije tako bilo. Kad to bir vaktile? Od kako je vakta, u svjetu je rata."
"Danas je Internetom mnogo lakse nego bir vaktile biti dio ovog praznoverja."
"Kaze dosao covjek iz provincije u Sarajevo
(bir vaktile) i kad se vratio pitaju ga sta ima u Sarajevu."
"Neko će reći: Bir vaktile nije tako bilo. Kad to bir vaktile? Od kako je vakta, u svjetu je rata."
"Danas je Internetom mnogo lakse nego bir vaktile biti dio ovog praznoverja."
"Kaze dosao covjek iz provincije u Sarajevo
(bir vaktile) i kad se vratio pitaju ga sta ima u Sarajevu."
Proposed translations
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| 5 | "once upon a time" |
Besmir (X)
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| 5 +3 | a long, long time ago |
Maida Berbic
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| 5 +3 | Ref. |
BUZOV
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| 5 +2 | in the olden days |
Ulvija Tanovic (X)
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| 2 +4 | Sometime in the past, a long while ago |
Marijana Vujkov
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| 3 | before this days... |
Kornelija Karalic
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Proposed translations
5 days
Selected
"once upon a time"
Mark, u ovim primjerima koje ste naveli imate tri moguca prijevoda fraze "bir vaktile." "Bir vaktile" znaci priblizno sto i "nekada davno" ili "davno," koristi se ekskluzivno za radnju u davnoj proslosti. Ono sto zbunjuje je sto se i rijec "otojc" koristi za radnju u proslosti, pa se prevede sa "long time ago" iako nekada u knjizevnim tekstovima oznacava i ono sto se dogodilo prije dvije minute. U poredjenju sa "otojc," "bir vaktile" se sasvim sigurno dogodilo u vrlo davnoj proslosti.
Dopustite da prevedem ove tri recenice sto ste dali kao primjer da vidite taj presjek u vremenu o kojem pricam:
"Some would say: Once upon a time, it wasn't at all like that."
"Internet makes it much easier to take part in these superstitions today than in the past."
"They say a man came long time ago from the province to Sarajevo and when he returned they asked him 'What is going on in Sarajevo'"
Eto, nadam se da Vam je ovo pomoglo. Da, i isto tako Mark, nije "bosansko narjecje" nego "bosanski jezik" :-)
Dopustite da prevedem ove tri recenice sto ste dali kao primjer da vidite taj presjek u vremenu o kojem pricam:
"Some would say: Once upon a time, it wasn't at all like that."
"Internet makes it much easier to take part in these superstitions today than in the past."
"They say a man came long time ago from the province to Sarajevo and when he returned they asked him 'What is going on in Sarajevo'"
Eto, nadam se da Vam je ovo pomoglo. Da, i isto tako Mark, nije "bosansko narjecje" nego "bosanski jezik" :-)
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Comment: "Ovo je bilo najiscrpniji odgovor, ali hvala svima"
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17 mins
Marijana Vujkov
Your First Port of Call
Native in: Serbian 
Works in: English to Serbian, French to Serbian, Serbian to English, and 11 more.
Sometime in the past, a long while ago
..ili samo in the past, once... Ja takodje mislim da je resenje u pravcu u kome i sami razmisljate. Jedino sto mene once upon the time podseca iskljucivo na price i bajke...
Peer comment(s):
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Gordana Podvezanec
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Hvala Gordana.
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BUZOV
: see Ref.
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Hvala.
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A.Đapo
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Hvala Amra
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Said Kaljanac a.k.a. SARAJ
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Hvala Saide
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Maida Berbic
Native in Bosnian
Accuracy, Timeliness and Responsiveness
Native in: Bosnian , Serbian
Works in: English to Bosnian, English to Serbian, Bosnian to English, and 6 more.
a long, long time ago
When we in Bosnia say "bir vaktile" we think that something happened long, long time ago(almost like in fairtales "once upon a time").
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Anira
: Mislim da ovo najvise odgovara izrazu "bir vaktile". U Bosni se taj izraz upotrebljava da se iskaze da se nesto dogodilo vrlo davno, u doba kojeg se gotovo niko vise ni ne sjeca.
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Nedzad Selmanovic
: long time ago is enough
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Said Kaljanac a.k.a. SARAJ
: agree with Nedzad, "long time ago"
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12 hrs
in the olden days
since "bir vaktile" is an archaic phrase, I think it should be translated in the same manner (or as we say "u duhu jezika" :)
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Almir Comor MITI
: vidi se ko prevodi knjizevnost :)
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Said Kaljanac a.k.a. SARAJ
: The term "bir vaktile" is not archaic, but it expresses that something had happened long time ago. If in everyday speech someone says "bir vaktile" I would not interpret/translate it "in the olden days".
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"bir vaktile" is a phrase of Turkish origin introduced during the Ottoman period in BiH (some 300-500 yrs ago) and therefore archaic, I should think. Also, I think "bir vaktile" is only ever used in everyday speech.
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lanoushka
: It's an regionalism, but it does have a certain poetic value if you will. Depending on the context "once upon a time" may be equally acceptable.
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Kornelija Karalic
Bosnia and Herzegovina
Bosnia and Herzegovina
Native in Bosnian
Bosnia and Herzegovina
Translation... I just love it!!!
Native in: Bosnian , Croatian
Works in: English to Bosnian, English to Croatian, English to Serbo-Croat
before this days...
Misli se na vrijeme kad nije bilo toliko tehnike u ivotima ljudi, a pogotovo Interneta.
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Note added at 1 day 9 hrs 30 mins (2005-06-11 18:17:46 GMT)
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Pardon, greska:
before these days...
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Note added at 1 day 9 hrs 30 mins (2005-06-11 18:17:46 GMT)
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Pardon, greska:
before these days...
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1 hr
Ref.
Bratoljub Klaić: Rječnik stranih riječi , Zora, zagreb, 1962.
str.196
birvaktile (turc.) (isp. 'bir' i 'vakat'),
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jednom, nekada, u stara vremena
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str.195
bir (tur.)
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1. jedan
2. jedno, jedinstvo, kompaktnost
3. čim, istom to, jedva
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str. 1552
vakat, gen. vakta, mn. vakata (turc. vakit, vakyt)
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vrijeme, doba
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Note added at 1 hr 46 mins (2005-06-10 10:33:48 GMT)
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Kad to bir vaktile?
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Nekada (bilo kada) prije dananjice .... izraz ne definira točno mjesto u vremenu ... u mom ili Vaem djetinjstvu, npr, ali isto tako i u djetinjstvu naih baka i djedova ... ili prije 1000 godina.
U (ukupnoj) prolosti... in the past .
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Note added at 1 day 13 hrs 33 mins (2005-06-11 22:21:13 GMT)
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Ýngilizce - Türkçe Çeviri Sonucu
paint :
v.boya:n.boya
v.boya:n.boya
http://www.ingilizceturkce.com/index.php
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Note added at 1 day 14 hrs 30 mins (2005-06-11 23:18:04 GMT)
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Stolac-Benat - STOLAC VALA BREGAVA GA DIJELI
... Nekada davno tj. birvaktile, brda podno Osanjica bila su bogata sumom koju su
stanovnini bregavske vale koristili za izgradnju kuca i njihovo grijanje. ...
www.stolac.org/ modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=80 - 44k - Slične Stranice
str.196
birvaktile (turc.) (isp. 'bir' i 'vakat'),
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jednom, nekada, u stara vremena
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str.195
bir (tur.)
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1. jedan
2. jedno, jedinstvo, kompaktnost
3. čim, istom to, jedva
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str. 1552
vakat, gen. vakta, mn. vakata (turc. vakit, vakyt)
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vrijeme, doba
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Note added at 1 hr 46 mins (2005-06-10 10:33:48 GMT)
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Kad to bir vaktile?
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Nekada (bilo kada) prije dananjice .... izraz ne definira točno mjesto u vremenu ... u mom ili Vaem djetinjstvu, npr, ali isto tako i u djetinjstvu naih baka i djedova ... ili prije 1000 godina.
U (ukupnoj) prolosti... in the past .
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Note added at 1 day 13 hrs 33 mins (2005-06-11 22:21:13 GMT)
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Ýngilizce - Türkçe Çeviri Sonucu
paint :
v.boya:n.boya
v.boya:n.boya
http://www.ingilizceturkce.com/index.php
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Note added at 1 day 14 hrs 30 mins (2005-06-11 23:18:04 GMT)
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Stolac-Benat - STOLAC VALA BREGAVA GA DIJELI
... Nekada davno tj. birvaktile, brda podno Osanjica bila su bogata sumom koju su
stanovnini bregavske vale koristili za izgradnju kuca i njihovo grijanje. ...
www.stolac.org/ modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=80 - 44k - Slične Stranice
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Ana Naglić
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Hvala
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hrvaska
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Hvala
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Said Kaljanac a.k.a. SARAJ
: dobro, samo sto u bosanskom jeziku "bir vaktile" je usao dublje u jezik i nije smatran kao strani izraz, mada etimoloski potice iz turskog jezika.
1 day 10 hrs
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Jest, znam to iz ličnih (pa i familijarnih) iskustava, ali činjenicama nita ne moemo. Kako objasniti Marku bez porijekla riječi, a ono je dano u Rječniku. Usput, dosta ih ne zna da je i "boja" čisto turska riječ...slavenska bi bila"cviet" ili 'kraska'
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