Glossary entry (derived from question below)
Spanish term or phrase:
médico cirujano
English translation:
Medical Doctor / MD (in this context)
Added to glossary by
Elena Sgarbo (X)
Mar 26, 2005 02:53
19 yrs ago
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Spanish term
United States
Confidentiality. Reliability. Excellence
Native in: English 
, Spanish
Works in: English to Spanish, Spanish to English
médico cirujano
Spanish to English
Other
Medical (general)
Oración: Se le otorga este título de médico cirujano.
Documento de Argentina
Documento de Argentina
Proposed translations
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| 5 +2 | "physician and surgeon" (TN: equivalent to "medical doctor", MD) |
Elena Sgarbo (X)
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| 4 +11 | surgeon |
T&I NatashaC
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| 5 +3 | surgeon |
Maria Luisa Duarte
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| 5 +3 | physician and surgeon |
Henry Hinds
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| 5 | Medical Doctor and Surgeon |
Terejimenez
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| 5 | Doctor of Medicine |
Jane Lamb-Ruiz (X)
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"physician and surgeon" (TN: equivalent to "medical doctor", MD)
Hola Esther,
I graduated in Argentina as an MD, then took the exams to have my degree validated here in the US.
While the title that many medical schools issue in Argentina is "médico cirujano", that is just a tradition; the real attributions of the professional are those of a general physician, or MD.
If a physcian wants to specialize in gral. surgery, they must train after receiving their MD degree -for several more years. At the end of that additional training, they receive the title of "general surgeon". (Surgical specialties, such as Orthopedics, GYN, etc, are included within the specialty training and don't need a separate title).
You may also take a look at a past KudoZ question, (see Juan Jacob's answer): http://www.proz.com/kudoz/781401.
What I usually do for translations like this is I provide the literal translation (i.e. "physician and surgeon") and then add a note clarifying the equivalence for the target country (i.e., "medical doctor / MD" for the USA).
Good luck,
Elena
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\"Doctor of Medicine\", OTOH, is the translation for \"Doctor en Medicina\", un título otorgado a quienes han completado el doctorado (una carrera de 4 años que se inicia una vez obtenido el título de médico).
I graduated in Argentina as an MD, then took the exams to have my degree validated here in the US.
While the title that many medical schools issue in Argentina is "médico cirujano", that is just a tradition; the real attributions of the professional are those of a general physician, or MD.
If a physcian wants to specialize in gral. surgery, they must train after receiving their MD degree -for several more years. At the end of that additional training, they receive the title of "general surgeon". (Surgical specialties, such as Orthopedics, GYN, etc, are included within the specialty training and don't need a separate title).
You may also take a look at a past KudoZ question, (see Juan Jacob's answer): http://www.proz.com/kudoz/781401.
What I usually do for translations like this is I provide the literal translation (i.e. "physician and surgeon") and then add a note clarifying the equivalence for the target country (i.e., "medical doctor / MD" for the USA).
Good luck,
Elena
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\"Doctor of Medicine\", OTOH, is the translation for \"Doctor en Medicina\", un título otorgado a quienes han completado el doctorado (una carrera de 4 años que se inicia una vez obtenido el título de médico).
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Jane Lamb-Ruiz (X)
: Absolutely....one little thing..I would leave out the explanation and formalize to: Doctor of Medicine..even on a diploma? see the site i quoted..Doctor of Medicine (MD) ..versus Doctor of Philosophy of or in Medicine..
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Thanks, Jane. Re: "Doctor of Medicine", however, it would be the translation for "Doctor en Medicina", which is roughly equivalent to an MD + PhD (i.e., it's more than "MD"/physician), at least here in the US. "Médico cirujano" is just "MD" :-)
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Yvonne Becker
: Gracias por la excelente explicación. Siempre que me he topado con este término (también aparece en títulos venezolanos y con la misma acepción que en Argentina), he tenido dudas sobre cómo traducirlo.
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4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer.
Comment: "Thank you so much Elena. Even though all the answers may be correct, yours finally help me decide how it should read on the Degree Certificate."
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T&I NatashaC
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Excellence, Quality and Professionalism
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gracias Jorge
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gracias Michele
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Graciela Carlyle
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SandraV
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Jane Lamb-Ruiz (X)
: I believe Elena is right. Diplomas are for doctors of medicine..this is a mistranslation.
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Maria Luisa Duarte
Spain
Spain
Native in English
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Spain
Professional, Reliable & Committed
Native in: English , Portuguese
Works in: English to Portuguese, French to Spanish, Portuguese to Spanish, and 7 more.
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surgeon
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PaulinaRich
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Muchas Gracias!MLD
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Michele Fauble
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Muchas Gracias!MLD
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Muchas Gracias!MLD
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Terejimenez
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The highest standards of quality
Native in: Spanish
Works in: English to Spanish, French to Spanish, Spanish to English
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Medical Doctor and Surgeon
suerte !
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Henry Hinds
United States
United States
Native in Spanish
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English
Works in field
United States
43 years of Border Experience and fast.
Native in: English , Spanish
Works in: English to Spanish, Spanish to English
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physician and surgeon
Así se dice normalmente.
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Un poco de apoyo:
Results 1 - 10 of about 87,600 for \"physician and surgeon\".
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Un poco de apoyo:
Results 1 - 10 of about 87,600 for \"physician and surgeon\".
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Gracias, Ruth.
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Doctor of Medicine
for a diploma...it's Doctor of Medicine with caps like this..
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And there is no diploma qua diploma in surgery....there is a diploma in medicine..doctor of medicine and then you specialize and they give you something but it ain\'t a diploma...
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X is hereby granted a diploma as a Doctor of Medicine
Regular Permit - Recognition of Equivalence
A physician who has a diploma of doctor of medicine and/or has completed his training outside Canada and the United States (DHCEU) and who wishes to obtain a permit to practise medicine in Québec must apply for recognition of equivalence of his diploma as doctor of medicine (M.D.) and of his postdoctoral training (internship, residency).
To obtain an evaluation of the equivalence of his diploma of doctor of medicine and of postdoctoral training, a physician must submit to the Collège des médecins du Québec (CMQ) a complete file, together with a cheque for the prescribed amount (non-refundable).
Deadline dates for submitting a complete file
April 5th, 2005
May 2nd, 2005
August 8th, 2005
September 20th, 2005
October 17th, 2005
Recognition of Equivalence of the Diploma of Doctor in Medicine (M.D.)
To obtain recognition of equivalence of the doctor of medicine (M.D.) diploma, a DHCEU must pass three examinations established by the Bureau of the CMQ, in the following order:
Step 1
No surgeon.....:)
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Note added at 16 hrs 54 mins (2005-03-26 19:47:22 GMT)
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Please note: the US state department or whoever says:
A physician who has a diploma of doctor of medicine....
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Note added at 17 hrs 0 min (2005-03-26 19:53:58 GMT)
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If you are a Phd. in the fielf of medicine.,you are a
Doctor of Philosophy in Medicine...:)
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Note added at 15 hrs 46 mins (2005-03-26 18:40:02 GMT)
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And there is no diploma qua diploma in surgery....there is a diploma in medicine..doctor of medicine and then you specialize and they give you something but it ain\'t a diploma...
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Note added at 16 hrs 5 mins (2005-03-26 18:58:34 GMT)
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X is hereby granted a diploma as a Doctor of Medicine
Regular Permit - Recognition of Equivalence
A physician who has a diploma of doctor of medicine and/or has completed his training outside Canada and the United States (DHCEU) and who wishes to obtain a permit to practise medicine in Québec must apply for recognition of equivalence of his diploma as doctor of medicine (M.D.) and of his postdoctoral training (internship, residency).
To obtain an evaluation of the equivalence of his diploma of doctor of medicine and of postdoctoral training, a physician must submit to the Collège des médecins du Québec (CMQ) a complete file, together with a cheque for the prescribed amount (non-refundable).
Deadline dates for submitting a complete file
April 5th, 2005
May 2nd, 2005
August 8th, 2005
September 20th, 2005
October 17th, 2005
Recognition of Equivalence of the Diploma of Doctor in Medicine (M.D.)
To obtain recognition of equivalence of the doctor of medicine (M.D.) diploma, a DHCEU must pass three examinations established by the Bureau of the CMQ, in the following order:
Step 1
No surgeon.....:)
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Note added at 16 hrs 54 mins (2005-03-26 19:47:22 GMT)
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Please note: the US state department or whoever says:
A physician who has a diploma of doctor of medicine....
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Note added at 17 hrs 0 min (2005-03-26 19:53:58 GMT)
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If you are a Phd. in the fielf of medicine.,you are a
Doctor of Philosophy in Medicine...:)
Discussion
The diploma of Medical Doctor is hereby conferred on Mr. John Smith..