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Nov 10, 2021 15:18
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French term

qu’est devenu un musée de France sur le chemin du Reich

French to English Art/Literary General / Conversation / Greetings / Letters From An Art History Book
Contexte :

Une fois ces mesures prises sur le plan administratif, les confis cations de l’Amt Westen arrivent rapidement à cette première étape, d’enregistrement et de contrôle, qu’est devenu un musée de France sur le chemin du Reich – 2 703 tableaux, 2 898 objets meublants, ou décoratifs, sont inventoriés au Jeu de Paume par les experts de l’ERR, sous la rubrique MA-Bc. Tous proviennent d’appartements entièrement déménagés.
Un document allemand permet d’évoquer l’étendue de ce pillage
– 69 619 logements juifs, dont 38 000 à Paris, furent vidés de toute propriété usuelle ou ornementale.

Merci Beaucoup,

Barbara
Proposed translations (English)
4 which became a French museum before the items were dispatched to Germany
3 that had turned into a French Museum staging post on the Road to the Reich
References
Museum

Discussion

Emmanuella Nov 11, 2021:
Ce n'est pas grave du tout, ce qui l'est c'est bien autre chose...
Philippe Etienne Nov 10, 2021:
@Emmanuella Merci pour la rectification, qu'est ce que le Louvre vient faire là-dedans? Je corrige vite avant d'être la risée de proz.
Emmanuella Nov 10, 2021:
@ Philippe Étienne. Je pense qu'i! s'agit du Musée du Jeu de Paume et non du Louvre.
Emmanuella Nov 10, 2021:
@ Phil...'première étape ... qu'est devenu', selon moi, une construction plutôt bizarre.
philgoddard Nov 10, 2021:
I don't see what's wrong with a literal translation, "a museum of France on the road to the Reich".
Emmanuella Nov 10, 2021:
I'm eager to read it. Thanks in advance.
Barbara Cochran, MFA (asker) Nov 10, 2021:
Yes, Thanks Again I was able to come up with an accurate translation of the phrase about a half hour ago. That paragraph proves that I have one now.
Emmanuella Nov 10, 2021:
Please read the 7th paragraph, cf.
https://www.errproject.org/jeudepaume/about/err.php
Barbara Cochran, MFA (asker) Nov 10, 2021:
Merci Beaucoup, Phillipe Et Emmanuella ! Vraiment des anges . . .
Emmanuella Nov 10, 2021:
@ Barbara / Asker - What do you think of the link I posted ?
Emmanuella Nov 10, 2021:
Amt (Office) Westen (West) is not a castle but the office in charge of the loot, cf.
https://www.lootedart.com/MN51H4593121

The loot will be transported by trains 'heading for the Reich'.
Philippe Etienne Nov 10, 2021:
Convoluted structure It means the museum has become the first stopover point for artwork on its way to Germania-to-be. This first stage is about registering and checking incoming pieces.

Proposed translations

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which became a French museum before the items were dispatched to Germany

This can't be translated literally so I've tried to provide the sense of the words in good English.
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that had turned into a French Museum staging post on the Road to the Reich

> namely, the Nazi Western Office as the subject or active agent rather than the object or target of the lootings and, ironically, had 'the makings' of a French national museum on the road eastwards to the Pan-German Reich.

> musée de France: also, another museum in France, a French National Museum or a museum on French soil, rather than a Madrid-type 'Franco Museum'.

Example sentence:

Emmanuella's link: Western Office (Amt Westen) of the Rosenberg-headed Ministry for Occupied Eastern Territories (RMbO), allegedly because many of the goods seized were to be destined for German offices on the Eastern Front.

Museums in France · 1. Musée d'Orsay · 2. Musee Fabre · 3. Hotel de Caumont - Art Centre · 4. Citadelle de Saint-Tropez - Musée d'histoire

Reference:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_looting_of_artworks_by_Vincent_van_Gogh

Peer comment(s):
neutral Philippe Etienne : "un musée de France" is the Jeu de paume (and not the Louvre as I wrote earlier), where artwork belonging to French Jews converged before being sent to Germany. Seeing you're in Austria, watch "The woman in gold" about an iconic Klimt painting
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Reference comments

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Reference:

Museum

I would propose that the AMT Westen Castle "became a museum of France on the way to the Reich". This would be Germany in the Second World War.
The objects were stocked in the castle there awaiting further transit. As such it would have seemed like a museum.
Note from asker:
Thank you, Andrew. Very helpful.
Peer comments on this reference comment:
disagree Philippe Etienne : The Amt Westen seems to be a Nazi organisation that handled the large-scale looting of valuables in occupied countries in the West
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Yes, you are right Philippe Etienne, my bad. https://pilot-demo.jdcrp.org/event/1940-07-17-amt-westen/
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