Glossary entry (derived from question below)
French term or phrase:
green en largeur
English translation:
shallow green / perpendicular green
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Paula McGowan
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Describing a hole on a golf course:
Un Par 4 en montée, aucun danger côté droit, par contre le contrôle de la distance est requis pour attaquer ce green en largeur.
What does "en largeur" mean in terms of attacking the green? Widthways doesn't make sense and despite all my research, I can only find two or three French refs online, which don't really help.
Any golf aficionados out there?
Many thanks in advance!
Un Par 4 en montée, aucun danger côté droit, par contre le contrôle de la distance est requis pour attaquer ce green en largeur.
What does "en largeur" mean in terms of attacking the green? Widthways doesn't make sense and despite all my research, I can only find two or three French refs online, which don't really help.
Any golf aficionados out there?
Many thanks in advance!
Proposed translations
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| 3 +2 | perpendicular |
Peter Shortall
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| 3 +4 | open the green up (for the approach) |
James Calder
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| 4 | in order to have the whole width of the green to aim at |
Conor McAuley
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References
| Orientation of the green |
Peter Shortall
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Proposed translations
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Okay, here it is as an answer! To recap, I believe "en largeur" describes "green" rather than "attaquer". As for how to say it in English, I found several golf-related refs to "perpendicular green", but I think James's second suggestion in the light of this is also worth looking into, I hadn't heard of it myself before so can't comment.
If you're able to find any images showing the layout of the holes mentioned in your doc, those may help to rule this interpretation in or out.
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I think this term describes the orientation of the green relative to the line of play (i.e. the direction from which you approach the green).
Your term seems to contrast with "green en longueur".
Judging by this picture of a "green en longueur" (see the diagram of "Le trou no 9" in the link), it looks like "en longueur" means that the axis of the green is (more or less!) in line with the fairway, i.e. following the same line of play: https://golf-cs.jimdofree.com/parcours/
Contrast that with this picture of a "green en largeur" (see "Trou 16" at the bottom left), where you can see that the green is **perpendicular** to the approaching fairway and hence the line of play:
"le 2eme coup sera tout en descente avec un green en largeur bien défendu par 2 bunkers qui en barrent l’entrée..."
https://www.golfducognac.com/parcours-18-trous/
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You're very welcome. Hats off to James for coming up with "shallow", I've looked up examples and it seems to be absolutely spot on, I'd never have thought of it. I think it's great that through our combined efforts, you ended up with a word that will look really good in the finished translation.
This was an interesting question, I enjoyed thinking about it! Happy translating, everyone!
If you're able to find any images showing the layout of the holes mentioned in your doc, those may help to rule this interpretation in or out.
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I think this term describes the orientation of the green relative to the line of play (i.e. the direction from which you approach the green).
Your term seems to contrast with "green en longueur".
Judging by this picture of a "green en longueur" (see the diagram of "Le trou no 9" in the link), it looks like "en longueur" means that the axis of the green is (more or less!) in line with the fairway, i.e. following the same line of play: https://golf-cs.jimdofree.com/parcours/
Contrast that with this picture of a "green en largeur" (see "Trou 16" at the bottom left), where you can see that the green is **perpendicular** to the approaching fairway and hence the line of play:
"le 2eme coup sera tout en descente avec un green en largeur bien défendu par 2 bunkers qui en barrent l’entrée..."
https://www.golfducognac.com/parcours-18-trous/
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You're very welcome. Hats off to James for coming up with "shallow", I've looked up examples and it seems to be absolutely spot on, I'd never have thought of it. I think it's great that through our combined efforts, you ended up with a word that will look really good in the finished translation.
This was an interesting question, I enjoyed thinking about it! Happy translating, everyone!
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Beatriz Ramírez de Haro
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Thanks, Beatriz!
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James Calder
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Likewise, James!
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4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer.
Comment: "Thanks again, Peter. I awarded the points to you, as you were the first to realise the pro was talking about the orientation of the green rather than the approach. I think perpendicular green would also have been acceptable, so I've added both to the glossary."
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open the green up (for the approach)
I think they're talking about an imaginary optimal landing area on the fairway, the idea being if that you hit the right length of drive and land the ball in this area, you'll give yourself the biggest possible target for your second (approach) shot, i.e. you'll give yourself the full width of the green to hit. If you hit your drive too long or too short, the green will look narrower and you'll have a more difficult second shot. Hope that makes sense.
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After reading Peter's excellent post, I think the term you're looking for is "shallow green". The best example of a shallow green I can think of is the 17th (the Road Hole) at St Andrews. It's long and narrow and you have to hit your drive down the right hand side of the fairway to give yourself enough of an angle for your second shot. You'll find lots of hits for shallow green.
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Hi Paula, not at all. Peter was the first to twig what the term meant so it's only fair that he gets the points.
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After reading Peter's excellent post, I think the term you're looking for is "shallow green". The best example of a shallow green I can think of is the 17th (the Road Hole) at St Andrews. It's long and narrow and you have to hit your drive down the right hand side of the fairway to give yourself enough of an angle for your second shot. You'll find lots of hits for shallow green.
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Hi Paula, not at all. Peter was the first to twig what the term meant so it's only fair that he gets the points.
Note from asker:
| Thanks James! |
| Hi James. I hope you don't mind, but I awarded the points to Peter, as he was the first to realise 'en largeur' referred to the orientation of the green. I've added both terms to the glossary. Thanks very much for your help. |
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Beatriz Ramírez de Haro
: Shallow green is spot on.
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| agree |
writeaway
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| agree |
Martyn Greenan
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| agree |
Peter Shortall
: Having looked up examples of both "shallow green" and "deep green" (which must be the translation of "green en LONGueur"), I think you're right - brilliant! I've posted a final comment on my answer which is addressed to everyone.
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in order to have the whole width of the green to aim at
It's about angles. Hard to explain in a few words.
It basically means that if you pull or shank (I forget the exact terms), but hit your ball slightly left or right anyway, in basic terms, you're still going to have a chance of landing your ball on the green.
It may also mean that your approach shot (c.f. attaquer) is lined up so that there are no bunkers around the green that are in your way.
Reference: starting playing golf just about when I was big enough to hold a club.
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To Paula: no problem at all. If there is anything else, put it up here.
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To Paula: no problem, I think you got the right answer in the end (fascinating!), but check the course "map" if you can.
It basically means that if you pull or shank (I forget the exact terms), but hit your ball slightly left or right anyway, in basic terms, you're still going to have a chance of landing your ball on the green.
It may also mean that your approach shot (c.f. attaquer) is lined up so that there are no bunkers around the green that are in your way.
Reference: starting playing golf just about when I was big enough to hold a club.
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To Paula: no problem at all. If there is anything else, put it up here.
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To Paula: no problem, I think you got the right answer in the end (fascinating!), but check the course "map" if you can.
Note from asker:
| Oh, thank you! This makes a lot of sense :) |
| Thanks again for all your help with these golfing questions, Conor! |
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Orientation of the green
I think this term describes the orientation of the green relative to the line of play (i.e. the direction from which you approach the green).
Your term seems to contrast with "green en longueur".
Judging by this picture of a "green en longueur" (see the diagram of "Le trou no 9" in the link), it looks like "en longueur" means that the axis of the green is (more or less!) in line with the fairway, i.e. following the same line of play: https://golf-cs.jimdofree.com/parcours/
Contrast that with this picture of a "green en largeur" (see "Trou 16" at the bottom left), where you can see that the green is **perpendicular** to the approaching fairway and hence the line of play:
"le 2eme coup sera tout en descente avec un green en largeur bien défendu par 2 bunkers qui en barrent l’entrée..."
https://www.golfducognac.com/parcours-18-trous/
Your term seems to contrast with "green en longueur".
Judging by this picture of a "green en longueur" (see the diagram of "Le trou no 9" in the link), it looks like "en longueur" means that the axis of the green is (more or less!) in line with the fairway, i.e. following the same line of play: https://golf-cs.jimdofree.com/parcours/
Contrast that with this picture of a "green en largeur" (see "Trou 16" at the bottom left), where you can see that the green is **perpendicular** to the approaching fairway and hence the line of play:
"le 2eme coup sera tout en descente avec un green en largeur bien défendu par 2 bunkers qui en barrent l’entrée..."
https://www.golfducognac.com/parcours-18-trous/
Note from asker:
| Yes, I see what you mean. This is another way of looking at it and I think you might be right, because I've just come across another reference: Un long Par 3 avec de nouveau un green en largeur. So, I am leaning towards this option. |
| Can you post this as an answer, Peter? |
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