Glossary entry (derived from question below)
Spanish term or phrase:
un tiro por elevación
English translation:
a proxy target
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Thomas Walker
Dec 15, 2018 18:02
5 yrs ago
Spanish term
un tiro por elevación
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I'm having a hard time getting a clear sense of what is meant by this phrase, & how best to render it in English.
I encountered the phrase in an opinion piece in a Costa Rican online periodical.The title of the piece is "La sangre de Khashoggi llega a la Casa Blanca". Here is the phrase in context:
"Lo que Salmán no pudo calibrar era que la oposición demócrata, ya con mayoría en el Congreso, lo utilizaría para lo que los viejos artilleros llaman ***“un tiro por elevación”***. Le apuntarían a él y a su gobierno, pero para darle a Trump. Ese es el objetivo."
For some reason, I just can't seem to wrap my mind around this.
All help greatly appreciated.
I encountered the phrase in an opinion piece in a Costa Rican online periodical.The title of the piece is "La sangre de Khashoggi llega a la Casa Blanca". Here is the phrase in context:
"Lo que Salmán no pudo calibrar era que la oposición demócrata, ya con mayoría en el Congreso, lo utilizaría para lo que los viejos artilleros llaman ***“un tiro por elevación”***. Le apuntarían a él y a su gobierno, pero para darle a Trump. Ese es el objetivo."
For some reason, I just can't seem to wrap my mind around this.
All help greatly appreciated.
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a proxy target
This changes the metaphor slightly, and requires a slight adjustment in the phrasing of the sentence, but I think it works and fits the context well in this particular case. A proxy target is an expression used both in artillery and in politics, and the idea in both cases is to aim at one thing in order to hit something else — which is exactly the point of the expression here.
This is from a book about artillery in World War I:
"'Direct laying' takes place when the gunner aims his artillery piece at the target he intends to hit. 'Indirect laying' occurs when the gunner aims the piece at an 'aiming point', a nearby proxy for the real target. This use of a proxy target makes it possible for a gunner to fire at a target that is on the other side of a hill."
https://books.google.es/books?id=0fGcCwAAQBAJ&pg=PA8&lpg=PA8...
Another reference to the same phenomenon here:
https://books.google.es/books?id=EZBECgAAQBAJ&pg=PA63&lpg=PA...
And in the socio-political sphere:
"Sometimes protest can even express its concerns indirectly, through targeting one institution but aiming to affect another—a "proxy target." For instance, French farmers tend to target the government in Paris with demands that actually regard the agricultural policy of the European Union."
https://books.google.es/books?id=PoJTCgAAQBAJ&pg=PA451&lpg=P...
"Sometimes political violence may even express its concerns indirectly, by targeting one institution but aiming to affect another—what social movement scholars call "a proxy target"."
https://books.google.es/books?id=CQmOCwAAQBAJ&pg=PT51&lpg=PT...
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Note added at 16 hrs (2018-12-16 10:49:14 GMT)
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Actually, now that I look carefully, this hardly requires any adjustment: you just have put "as" for "para": "use him as what old artillerymen call 'a proxy target'".
This is from a book about artillery in World War I:
"'Direct laying' takes place when the gunner aims his artillery piece at the target he intends to hit. 'Indirect laying' occurs when the gunner aims the piece at an 'aiming point', a nearby proxy for the real target. This use of a proxy target makes it possible for a gunner to fire at a target that is on the other side of a hill."
https://books.google.es/books?id=0fGcCwAAQBAJ&pg=PA8&lpg=PA8...
Another reference to the same phenomenon here:
https://books.google.es/books?id=EZBECgAAQBAJ&pg=PA63&lpg=PA...
And in the socio-political sphere:
"Sometimes protest can even express its concerns indirectly, through targeting one institution but aiming to affect another—a "proxy target." For instance, French farmers tend to target the government in Paris with demands that actually regard the agricultural policy of the European Union."
https://books.google.es/books?id=PoJTCgAAQBAJ&pg=PA451&lpg=P...
"Sometimes political violence may even express its concerns indirectly, by targeting one institution but aiming to affect another—what social movement scholars call "a proxy target"."
https://books.google.es/books?id=CQmOCwAAQBAJ&pg=PT51&lpg=PT...
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Note added at 16 hrs (2018-12-16 10:49:14 GMT)
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Actually, now that I look carefully, this hardly requires any adjustment: you just have put "as" for "para": "use him as what old artillerymen call 'a proxy target'".
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Chema Nieto Castañón
: Perfect! As usual! ;)
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Thanks very much, Chema ;-)
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JohnMcDove
: Indeed! :-)
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Many thanks, John ;-)
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Muriel Vasconcellos
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Thanks, Muriel :-)
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James A. Walsh
: Spot on! ;-)
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Thanks very much, James ;-)
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Manuel Cedeño Berrueta
: This is exactly the idea; I had no idea how to say that in English.
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Many thanks, Manuel :-) The next sentence suggested the idea to me. I'm not sure it would be suitable for every case of "un tiro por elevación".
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Comment: "Thanks, Charles, for your answer - right on the money.
And thanks to all who contributed to the interesting discussion"
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On my opinion, the term means that if there is a parabolic artillery shot, you will be fired if and only if you will be longer apart from the artillery. That is , if you are near the ballistic shot (parabolic) you cannot be fired. The name of this type of artillery is mortar. Mortero in castillano.
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indirect shot at
One possibility.
Example sentence:
John McCain took an indirect shot at Trump for his famous deferment during the Vietnam War
That last comment may have been an indirect shot at Nike and other golf-apparel giants, which ...
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patinba
: "Indirect aim" perhaps?
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Thanks, patinba!
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JohnMcDove
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Gracias, John!
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A pot shot
It is a shot without much hope of actually hitting the target
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"indirect fire"
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MPGS
: :-) / same here!!
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Thank you very much, McManolo. ;-) (Felices fiestas navideñas... y todas esas cosas... :-)
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shooting/aiming high
"What M. Bin Salmán could not foresee was that the Democratic opposition, now with a majority in Congress, would use it for what old artillerymen call ***“shooting high”***.
In other words aiming high in order to hit the target, or to gauge the distance for subsequent shots.
In other words aiming high in order to hit the target, or to gauge the distance for subsequent shots.
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Marcelo González
: Cheers, Neil >yes, aiming high to account for a falling trajectory
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Cheers :)
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warning shot
The text refers to 'artillery'. A warning shot is fired by a ship across the bow of an intruding ship, elevated enough so that it does not hit the target.
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Warning shot - Wikipedia
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During the 18th century, a warning shot (in nautical terms, often called a shot across the bow) could be fired towards any ship whose "colours" (nationality) had to be ascertained. According to the law of the sea, a ship thus hailed had to fly her flag and confirm it with a gunshot.
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FIRE A (WARNING) SHOT ACROSS SB'S BOW | definition in the ...
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“fire a (warning) shot across sb's bow” in English. to do something in order to warn someone that you will take strong action if that person does not change their behaviour: Airline employees have fired a warning shot across the company's bows by threatening to strike if higher pay increases are not offered.
White House targets VA's deputy secretary as 'a warning shot' to ...
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Feb 8, 2018 - White House targets VA's deputy secretary as 'a warning shot' to agency's ... Trump elevated him to the agency's top position from his role as ...
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Warning shot - Wikipedia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warning_shot
During the 18th century, a warning shot (in nautical terms, often called a shot across the bow) could be fired towards any ship whose "colours" (nationality) had to be ascertained. According to the law of the sea, a ship thus hailed had to fly her flag and confirm it with a gunshot.
Uses · Nautical · Aviation
FIRE A (WARNING) SHOT ACROSS SB'S BOW | definition in the ...
https://dictionary.cambridge.org/us/dictionary/.../fire-a-wa...
“fire a (warning) shot across sb's bow” in English. to do something in order to warn someone that you will take strong action if that person does not change their behaviour: Airline employees have fired a warning shot across the company's bows by threatening to strike if higher pay increases are not offered.
White House targets VA's deputy secretary as 'a warning shot' to ...
https://www.washingtonpost.com/...warning-shot.../cc052006-0...
Feb 8, 2018 - White House targets VA's deputy secretary as 'a warning shot' to agency's ... Trump elevated him to the agency's top position from his role as ...
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