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Glossary entry

English term or phrase:

in early course

French translation:

au plus tôt

Added to glossary by Elisabeth Toda-v.Galen
Sep 22, 2017 11:05
6 yrs ago
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English term

in early course

English to French Other Law (general) jugement dans un conflit
Ordered that the case management of the inquiries the Court has ordered and may in the future order are delegated to the Master with a view to each inquiry being heard before the Court as currently constituted **in early course**.

Est-ce quelque chose de particulier ou est-ce qu'on peut juste dire "telle qu'actuellement constituée" ?
Proposed translations (French)
4 rapidement
4 aussitôt que possible
4 -1 au début de la procédure
4 -1 (tribunal actuellement constitué) à un stade initial
4 -2 en temps utile (le moment venu)
3 -1 bientôt

Discussion

Ellen Kraus Sep 25, 2017:
@ AllegroTrans. I neither tried to nor intend to teach native Speakers their language. All I did was to quote what a trustworthy dictionary says about the synonyms in early Course and and in due Course as well as with regard to their French Counterpart en temps utile.
AllegroTrans Sep 24, 2017:
And Ellen, you also miss the subtlety of the distinction, which is fairly obvious to an English native speaker. Please don't try to teach us our own language!
Germaine Sep 24, 2017:
Ellen, You miss the point. The point is that "in due course" is NOT a synonym of "in early course". Therefore, "en temps utile" cannot translate "in early course".
Ellen Kraus Sep 24, 2017:
Pls. see the following link and many more similar ones in response to those who are doubtful about the correctness of my answer "en temps utile":French Translation of “in due course” | Collins English-French Dictionary
https://www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/english-french/...
French Translation of “in due course” | The official Collins English-French Dictionary online. ... (in future time) en temps utile , en temps voulu.
Germaine Sep 24, 2017:
Par ailleurs, le jugement n'est pas interprété en vertu du droit français (régime civiliste), mais plutôt en vertu du droit anglais (common law), qui ne connaît pas le "juge de mise en état". Dans ce sens, la traduction "Conseiller-maître" (utilisée au Nouveau-Brunswick et en Ontario, toutes deux de common law), me paraît plus proche, qui à y ajouter (Master).
AllegroTrans Sep 23, 2017:
@ Elizabeth L'équivalence est minimale; un Master (en Angleterre + Pays de Galles) a beaucoup plus de pouvoirs q'un juge de la mise en état (en France).
Elisabeth Toda-v.Galen (asker) Sep 23, 2017:
à AllegroTrans Il existe un personnage équivalent dans le système judiciaire in France... Le juge de la mise en état. Il s'agit d'un juge du tribunal de grande instance chargé de veiller au déroulement loyal du procès civil. (litige entre particuliers).
AllegroTrans Sep 23, 2017:
And as for "Master" there is NO equivalent in France. A Master is a type of Judge (or judicial officer) who sits in the English High Court on matters that are not heard by a higher Judge.

Master (judiciary) A Master is judicial officer found in the courts of England and in numerous other jurisdictions based on the common law tradition. A master's jurisdiction is generally confined to civil proceedings and is a subset of that of a judge.
Master (judiciary) - Wikipedia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Master_(judiciary)
AllegroTrans Sep 23, 2017:
They certainly are not synonyms. "In early course" is a dated expression which simply means "as soon as practicable/possible". I do not wish to sound arrogant, but this is a term which (elderly!) native British English speakers are far more likely to understand since the expression is seldom heard nowadays.
Germaine Sep 23, 2017:
Ellen, You realize that there is nothing "early" in the phrase "in due course", don't you? Therefore, "in due course" and "in early course" can hardly be synonyms.
Elisabeth Toda-v.Galen (asker) Sep 23, 2017:
Germaine Juge de la mise en état est en effet le titre français d'une telle personne, tandis que Conseiller-maître est plus utilisé au Canada. Merci!
Ellen Kraus Sep 23, 2017:
I fully agree with Germaine and that´s why I had already suggested as synonym of in due Course : en temps utile (le moment vooulu).
Germaine Sep 22, 2017:
À propos de "in due course" in due course
At the appropriate time.
Synonyms
at the appropriate time, when the time is ripe, in time, in due time, in the fullness of time, in the course of time, at a later time, at a later date, at length, at a future date, at a future time, at some point in the future, in the future, in time to come, as time goes by, as time goes on, by and by, one day, some day, sooner or later, in a while, after a bit, eventually
https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/in_due_course
Germaine Sep 22, 2017:
Elisabeth, Note - À propos de "Master" - juriterm.ca (dictionnaire de common law) et Termium traduisent "conseiller-maître" (voir le contexte des traductions, qui me semble correspondre), mais j'ai aussi trouvé "juge de la mise en état". Voir:
https://books.google.ca/books?id=_utxvQGdWHsC&pg=PA45&lpg=PA...

Proposed translations

5 hrs
Selected

rapidement

Une enquête/requête pouvant être ordonnée/formulée à n’importe quel stade d’une instance (et pas seulement au début), je crois que « rapidement » convient dans ce cas-ci : A ordonné que la gestion des enquêtes que la Cour a ordonnées et pourrait ordonner à l’avenir soit déléguée au Conseiller-maître de sorte que chaque enquête [?] soit entendue rapidement par cette Cour.

I look forward to hearing from you in early course as to what other information…
Je serai heureux d’avoir rapidement de vos nouvelles
Je suis impatient de recevoir rapidement de vos nouvelles
https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:XQkN0N...

Note from asker:
Je voulais mettre une note, mais je l'ai collé sous la réponse d'AllegroTrans ;-) De toute façon, je pense que ce sont les seules 2 réponses qui peuvent convenir ici...
Peer comment(s):
neutral AllegroTrans : Not "wrong" but it lacks the "gentillesse" of "in early course" somehow
1 day 5 hrs
Pas vraiment. À l'époque surtout, mais aujourd'hui encore, "early" = hâtif. La traduction littérale donnerait "dans un cours/déroulement hâtif" = accéléré, donc...
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4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer. Comment: "J'ai opté pour "au plus tôt""
-1
37 mins

au début de la procédure

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Peer comment(s):
disagree AllegroTrans : The proceedings have already been commenced
4 hrs
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5 hrs

aussitôt que possible

It effectively means as soon as hearings can be arranged.

Plans will not be required to state that the benefit will be paid as soon as practicable.
cra-arc.gc.ca

Les régimes ne seront pas tenus d'indiquer que la prestation doit être payée aussitôt que possible.
cra-arc.gc.ca
Note from asker:
Je crois bien que c'est ça... Si je traduis la phrase ainsi, j'obtiens : Ordonne que la gestion des enquêtes que la Cour a ordonnées et pourrait ordonner à l’avenir soit déléguée au Conseiller-maître afin que chaque enquête soit entendue rapidement par cette Cour telle qu’actuellement constituée. À peaufiner, mais ça se tient ;-)
Je me suis trompée de réponse! "Rapidement" était proposé par Germaine, mais ça revient à la même chose que "aussitôt que possible" ;-)
Peer comment(s):
neutral B D Finch : Might that be an over-translation?
53 mins
I think it's necessary here to look at court parlance which is often old-fashioned
neutral Germaine : not "wrong" either, although I prefer "rapidement" or would prefer "au plus tôt".
1 day 8 hrs
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-2
5 hrs

en temps utile (le moment venu)

in early Course as synonym of in due Course.
Peer comment(s):
disagree Germaine : Ces expressions ne sont synonymes ni l'une de l'autre, ni de "in early course".
1 day 1 hr
disagree AllegroTrans : They are not synonyms
1 day 6 hrs
believe it or not; I found - what I said - confirmed by a reliable source, but have no time now to trace it back.
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4 hrs

bientôt

This seems to be a corruption of "in due course".

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Note added at 5 hrs (2017-09-22 17:02:54 GMT)
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If commas are added, then it might be easier to read:

" ... with a view to each inquiry being heard, before the Court as currently constituted, **in early course**."

A better sentence structure:
... with a view to each inquiry being heard soon before the Court as currently constituted.

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Note added at 6 hrs (2017-09-22 17:08:03 GMT)
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By saying that it was a "corruption" of "in due course", I didn't mean that it was synonymous with it. This is a very odd expression that seems to me to have been made up by it's author. I think the meaning was not "in due course", but rather sooner than that might have implied.
Note from asker:
désolé mais "bientôt" ne va pas du tout ici! Si vous lisez bien la phrase, il est indiqué "currently constituted" juste avant. Bientôt n'est donc pas possible, "actuellement constitué bientôt" ne va pas...
Peer comment(s):
neutral AllegroTrans : I find this rather "loose" in a court order// at first sight yes, but it's court speak for asap, in other words what people used to commonly say in the 1800s; it's not a corruption, just a rather dated expression
1 hr
Isn't "in early course" also rather loose?// Age evidently has its advantages!
disagree Germaine : Effectivement, "bientôt" s'accorde mal avec "and may in the future order"// En FR, on ne peut pas écrire "que [les enquêtes] que la Cour pourrait ordonner à l’avenir... pour être entendues bientôt" pcq "bientôt" suggère une antériorité aux faits.
1 hr
See my note above. I think you are misreading the source text.
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-1
9 hrs

(tribunal actuellement constitué) à un stade initial

Lorsqu’il procède à la mise en état, le magistrat qui en est chargé s’informe de la régularité de la procédure suivie et des diligences des parties.

Il est défini de manière explicite que le président du tribunal ou un juge ... dans un délai raisonnable au stade initial devant le président du tribunal compétent.
Peer comment(s):
disagree Germaine : 1. On parle du système UK. 2. Difficile de tenir audience "au stade initial" quand l'ordonnance peut être rendue "in the future" - i.e. notamment, après le stade initial.
1 day 4 hrs
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