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Sep 6, 2017 08:50
6 yrs ago
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Turkish term

Şirketin temsil ve ilzamı (edilmesi)

Turkish to English Law/Patents Law: Contract(s) Business Charter
Bu kalıp Türkçeye Representation and Binding of the Company olarak çeviriliyor ve bende yıllardır hep bu şekilde kullandım. Fakat bu kalıbın "binding of the company" kısmı bana İngilizce gramer açısından problemli geliyor. Bu kalıbı Google da arattığınızda hep Türk şirketlerinin esas sözleşmeleri geliyor (mantık olarak). Fakat eminim "temsil ve ilzam" evrensel bir hukuki/ticari kalıptır ve dünyanın her tarafında içerisinde "binding, bind" kelimelerini veya varyasyonlarını içerecek şekilde kullanılıyordur. Benim merak ettiğim anadili İngilizce olanlar "representation and binding of the company" tabirini gramer ve linguistik açısından doğru buluyorlar mı (does it make any sense)? veya "Şirketin Temsili ve İlzamı" kalıbı için daha iyi (Google da arattığımızda Amerikan, Avustralya şirketlerinin belgelerini görebileceğimiz) bir alternatif öneriniz var mı? Teşekkürler.
Proposed translations (English)
4 +3 representing and binding the company
5 +1 to represent and enter into binding commitment for the company
5 A company to be represented and bound / committed
4 to represent and bind the corporation up
References
binding the company

Discussion

Baran Keki (asker) Sep 8, 2017:
What about a British company? Is there a similar article in the articles of incorporation of a British company? Is there such a concept as "ilzam"? Or is it that representing a company already presupposes taking actions that bind the company and therefore there is no need to mention it in the same sentence? If you were to 'localize' the articles of association of a Turkish company into British or American legal/business context would you translate the title "Şirketin Temsili ve İlzamı" as "Representation of the Company"? would that be enough or materially wrong? Thanks.
Tim Drayton Sep 6, 2017:
Depends on the context Well, we agree that 'represent and bind' is the basic expression. I agree that 'representation and binding of the company' does not sound elegant, and the best way of translating it will depend on the context. Sometimes 'To represent and bind the company' will work with some paraphrasing.

Proposed translations

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representing and binding the company

İngilizcede bizdekinin aksine pasif cümleler nadiren kullanılır, bunu aktif bir cümleyle ifade etmeniz daha yerinde olur

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Note added at 20 dakika (2017-09-06 09:10:40 GMT)
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Bind oturmuş bir terimdir, "to bind a company" "binding the company" şeklinde arama yaparsanız yeterince örnek çıkar. İlzam eski Türkçe bir kelime ve henüz yenisi bulunmamış ya da önerilmişse bile kullanımı oturmamış.
Note from asker:
binding fiili haricinde aynı anlam ve bağlamı sağlayabilecek bir isim (noun) düşünebiliyor musunuz?
Yoksa bu "ilzam" / "ilzam etmek" kelimesi ve fiili bir tek Türkçe ye mahsus mu?
Teşekkürler Raffi Bey
Peer comment(s):
agree Tim Drayton : Yes, this is a standard legal/business expression.
43 mins
Thanks Tim :)
agree catintas
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teşekkürler :)
agree Nihal Sen (X)
11 hrs
Teşekkürler Nihal Hanım :)
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to represent and enter into binding commitment for the company

ilzam etmek should be translated as "entering into commitments/contracts that bind the company." On the other hand I agree the shorter version can be stated as

to represent and bind the company. However that we must specify how that binding action should occur, I reckon.

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Note added at 1 hr (2017-09-06 10:38:20 GMT)
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Şimdi fark ettim commitments yani çoğul hali daha uygun olacak.
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agree Nihal Sen (X)
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A company to be represented and bound / committed

This is the literal definition I have been using in my translation pojects.

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Note added at 2 hrs (2017-09-06 11:06:48 GMT)
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Link: http://www.businessdictionary.com/definition/binding-contrac...

"The document I have placed in front of you will need to be thoroughly examined and signed by both parties before it can be considered a legally binding contract in a court of law."
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2 days 9 hrs

to represent and bind the corporation up

"representation and binding the corporation up" da olabilir
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Reference comments

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Reference:

binding the company

Binding the Company. The signature of any Officer on any agreement, contract, instrument or other document shall be sufficient to bind the Company in respect thereof and conclusively evidence the authority of the Officer and the Company with respect thereto, and no third party need look to any other evidence or require the joinder or consent of any other party; provided that, the Board, with respect to any particular document or transaction, may expressly authorize one or more individuals to execute and deliver any agreement, contract, instrument or other document on behalf of the Company, and any agreement, contract, instrument or other document executed by any such
Example sentence:

... shall be sufficient <b>to bind the Company</b> in respect thereof ...

Reference:

https://www.lawinsider.com/clause/binding-the-company

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