May 10, 2015 15:44
9 yrs ago
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French term
éléments de preuves
Non-PRO
French to English
Other
Human Resources
e-contracts /e-invoicing
Hello I am having trouble with this term and was wondering if anybody knew what it meant in the following context:
Il est aussi possible de retourner une image du document, mais autant fournir l'original électronique avec tous les éléments de preuves intégrés au PDF.
I know it is something to do with "evidence/proof" but I am not sure how to phrase it.
Any help would be appreciated
Thank you,
Angela
Il est aussi possible de retourner une image du document, mais autant fournir l'original électronique avec tous les éléments de preuves intégrés au PDF.
I know it is something to do with "evidence/proof" but I am not sure how to phrase it.
Any help would be appreciated
Thank you,
Angela
Proposed translations
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| 5 +2 | authentication features built in the PDF format |
Daryo
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| 4 | evidence |
Jean-Claude Gouin
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| 4 | supporting evidence |
Josephine Cassar
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| 4 -1 | item of evidence |
Louis Gwiango
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Proposed translations
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2 hrs
French term (edited):
éléments de preuves intégrés au PDF
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authentication features built in the PDF format
a .PDF document as a whole is supposed to be "tamper proof" - so a .PDF file is supposed to be the electronic version of an "original paper document on watermarked paper".
That is supposed to be a key advantage of using the PDF format.
The PDF format includes "authentication features" that are incorporated in the definition/description of the PDF format - these are the "éléments de preuves intégrés au PDF", that are supposed to be the proof of the authenticity of the file, i.e. the proof that the PDF file was really created by who is purported to have created it, and that the file wasn't altered after being created.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portable_Document_Format
That is supposed to be a key advantage of using the PDF format.
The PDF format includes "authentication features" that are incorporated in the definition/description of the PDF format - these are the "éléments de preuves intégrés au PDF", that are supposed to be the proof of the authenticity of the file, i.e. the proof that the PDF file was really created by who is purported to have created it, and that the file wasn't altered after being created.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portable_Document_Format
Peer comment(s):
| agree |
Patricia Fierro, M. Sc.
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Thanks!
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philgoddard
: You seem very confident, but I'm not convinced - I think the previous answers may be right. And you shouldn't be so liberal with your disagrees, especially when your own answer is ungrammatical.
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yes, regarding this specific question, I absolutely have no doubts. If you think that minor mistakes are more important than going or not in a totally wrong direction, we don't use the same methods...
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B D Finch
: With "built in", corrected to "built into", or: the built-in authentification features of the PDF format.
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Thanks!
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4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer.
Comment: "Selected automatically based on peer agreement."
22 mins
Jean-Claude Gouin
Canada
Canada
Native in French
Canada
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Native in: French 
Works in: French to English, English to French, French, and 1 more.
Related KudoZ points
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evidence
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Peer comment(s):
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Daryo
: this is about the features of the PDF format
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%$/"&*(*
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philgoddard
: It doesn't look like we're going to get any context, but I think this is a strong possibility, in the sense of "supporting documents". And I don't know why the next two people have posted almost the same answer.
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Un gros merci, Phil. Ça compense pour le 'désaccord' ...
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Louis Gwiango
Cameroon
Cameroon
Native in French
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English
Cameroon
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Native in: English , French
Works in: French to English, English to French
item of evidence
This seems to me to be the correct translation
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Note added at 38 mins (2015-05-10 16:23:43 GMT)
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That is "items of evidence"
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Note added at 38 mins (2015-05-10 16:23:43 GMT)
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That is "items of evidence"
Reference:
1 hr
Josephine Cassar
Malta
Malta
Native in English
Malta
12 yrs. experience translating EU stuff
Native in: English (Variants: British, UK) , Maltese
Works in: English to Maltese, Italian to Maltese, French to Maltese, and 3 more.
Related KudoZ points
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4
supporting evidence
see 7th part: http://context.reverso.net/translation/french-english/élémen... or presentation of evidence but prefer the first
Peer comment(s):
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Daryo
: this is about the features of the PDF format
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Maybe you're right there, but depends what comes after as asker said 'evidence'
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Mary Carroll Richer LaFlèche
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Thank you; according to Phil, not bad after all as depends what comes after which has not yet been posted though asker said it has something to do with 'evidence'. @Phil-almost same answers, not quite though as fuller, more complete, not just 'evidence'
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Discussion
the difference between "une image du document" basically a picture of document (.bmp .jpeg .gif .png etc file format) and the same document as a non-editable .pdf file is in the potential difficulties in creating "fakes"
anyone past the basic level of photo-editing can edit the picture of an invoice quite easily to change dates, amounts etc and create a "fake invoice" as much convincing that the initial one, but "editing" a non-editable PDF file is supposed to be impossible because of "les éléments de preuves intégrés au PDF." where "les éléments de preuves" are "intégrés au PDF" i.e are something that is incorporated / built into / part of the PDF format.
Specifics of the PDF format aside, even basic French grammar is enough indication that these "éléments de preuves" are "part of" PDF (i.e. the definition/description of a file format), not a characteristic of the whole document.
I keep saying "supposed to" because the PDF format is so old that someone probably cracked it by now.