Glossary entry (derived from question below)
German term or phrase:
zusammenfallen
English translation:
united/ joined under one ruler
Added to glossary by
Hilary Davies Shelby
Jul 26, 2005 21:49
18 yrs ago
German term
United States
German and "Geek" to English!
Native in: English
Works in: German to English, English
zusammenfallen
German to English
Social Sciences
History
Hello all - "collapse" or "merge"? My dictionaries only have collapse!
"Und wenn dann mehrere Herrschaftsgebiete **zusammenfallen**, ist ratzfatz eine Übermacht da, wie sie heute in Europa gar nicht vorstellbar wäre."
Thank you!
"Und wenn dann mehrere Herrschaftsgebiete **zusammenfallen**, ist ratzfatz eine Übermacht da, wie sie heute in Europa gar nicht vorstellbar wäre."
Thank you!
Proposed translations
(English)
| 4 +7 | united/ joined under one ruler |
Olaf Reibedanz
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| 4 | collapse |
David Hollywood
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| 2 +2 | merge |
Lancashireman
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| 3 | to collapse |
Aniello Scognamiglio (X)
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| 3 | are combined |
Trudy Peters
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| 2 | become allies |
jccantrell
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Proposed translations
+7
14 mins
Olaf Reibedanz
Colombia
Colombia
Native in German
Works in field
Colombia
Finance / Trading / Blockchain / Crypto
Native in: German 
Works in: English to German, French to German, Spanish to German, and 2 more.
Related KudoZ points
:
8
Selected
united/ joined under one ruler
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Note added at 16 mins (2005-07-26 22:06:11 GMT)
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Is this still the Renaissance context?
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Note added at 16 mins (2005-07-26 22:06:11 GMT)
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Is this still the Renaissance context?
Peer comment(s):
| agree |
Mario Marcolin
: states often changed ruler due to inheritance, marriage etc
22 mins
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| agree |
Lancashireman
56 mins
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| agree |
Bjørn Anthun
5 hrs
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| agree |
Aniello Scognamiglio (X)
: sure!
7 hrs
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| agree |
Siegfried Armbruster
7 hrs
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| agree |
Maria Ferstl
7 hrs
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| agree |
Francis Lee (X)
: or "amalgamation"
12 hrs
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4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer.
Comment: "Thank you! I'd never seen "zusammenfallen" used like this before."
3 mins
to collapse
would be my take (even without a dictionary;-))
Peer comment(s):
| neutral |
Olaf Reibedanz
: Hallo Aniello, ich muss dir ausnahmsweise mal widersprechen: Zusammenfallen ist hier m.E. im Sinne von "sich vereinigen" gemeint
9 mins
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Danke, Olaf, der Nebensatz "ist ratzfatz eine *Übermacht* da", spricht für sich, jetzt sage ich wirklich "gute Nacht"!
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3 mins
David Hollywood
Native in English
worked for int. orgs (IMF, OAS, IDB)
Native in: English
Works in: Spanish to English, German to English
Related KudoZ points
:
48
collapse
I would say "collapse" or "fold" or maybe "fall apart" here
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Note added at 4 mins (2005-07-26 21:54:18 GMT)
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maybe even \"disintegrate\", \"fall asunder\" or something similar ....
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Note added at 4 mins (2005-07-26 21:54:18 GMT)
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maybe even \"disintegrate\", \"fall asunder\" or something similar ....
Peer comment(s):
| neutral |
Olaf Reibedanz
: I think the other interpretation makes much more sense (zusammenfallen = to come together)
10 mins
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it's a tricky one, I agree ... maybe the overall context will clear it up
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| neutral |
Aniello Scognamiglio (X)
: with Olaf!
15 mins
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certainly highly logical, the context will be the clincher here
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6 mins
are combined
maybe, or become one
7 mins
jccantrell
United States
United States
Native in English
United States
Was nicht ist, kann noch werden.
Native in: English (Variant: US)
Works in: German to English
Related KudoZ points
:
4
become allies
It also means 'coincide' so, in an expanded sense, could this not be taken for "ally themselves?" It may be a stretch, but their objectives may coincide, making them allies.
My thought from the USA.
My thought from the USA.
Peer comment(s):
| neutral |
Olaf Reibedanz
: Sorry for being so fuzzy, but is this not too specific? What if one state conquers the other?
24 mins
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+2
8 mins
Lancashireman
United Kingdom
United Kingdom
Native in English
Specializes in field
United Kingdom
Related KudoZ points
:
252
merge
We all need more context! But this would make more sense if a superpower emerges from the remnants of 'collapsed' minnow states
Peer comment(s):
| agree |
Aniello Scognamiglio (X)
: "ist ratzfatz eine *Übermacht* da" makes things pretty clear!
11 mins
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| neutral |
Olaf Reibedanz
: I am not a native speaker, but does not merge imply some sort of integration of political institutions etc? Would it therefore not be better to use something more neutral like "united" or "joined"? Please correct me if I am wrong :-)
17 mins
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Yes, Olaf. I was sort-of agreeing with Hilary's suggestion. But Trudy's version and your own are marginally superior in this context.
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| agree |
Jan Vano
1 hr
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Discussion
"Seitdem [after the Golden Bull] d�rfen also nur die Kurf�rsten den Kaiser w�hlen … kann man sich heute gar nicht mehr vorstellen! War aber so! Und wenn dann mehrere Herrschaftsgebiete zusammenfallen, ist ratzfatz eine �bermacht da, wie sie heute in Europa gar nicht vorstellbar w�re. Was das f�r Konsequenzen hat, erz�hl ich euch sp�ter, Freunde!"
Thank goodness you're all still up - it's much appreciated!